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lol .. as we have seen in the recent Lindsey Clancy .. some are having issues understanding who the victims of the violence are nowadays

"Ethan Levins ✝️

@EthanLevins2

Something very bad is brewing in Europe. UK advising citizens to stockpile food, German hospitals prepping for mass-casualty events, and German troops moving towards Lithuania. This is not normal. NATO is preparing to fight Russia. THIS HAS TO STOP. "

The TRUTH is simple

NATO is a security alliance. IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE preparing to fight the Russia Bear, because when the Bear is Hungry, it is going to come eat your entire village .. better have it go get some Chinese takeout as far as many Europeans are concerned.

EU and Ukraine Did NOT want this war with Russia

EU was accepting letting Russia keep the 2014 occupation territories

Russia is now attempting to double down on their losing hand, and attempting to force a larger conflict.



If you follow the traditional narratives from Russia .. they always set the scene ..

recall the Soviet invasion of Finland in 1939 was due to Finland attacking Russia .. ( false flag )
Same here, either useful idiots being used or Russian infowar implants claiming NATO is planning to attack Russia.

Honestly Russia can stop this war right now by returning to the pre-2014 border


"Jamais Vu
@boot15_vu

Russia doesn’t want a war with Europe. Europe wants a war with Russia, because its political and ideological model has reached the end of its shelf life. And they know it. "

IF this were true, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine ( part of Europe, and Putin was told in no uncertain manner that there would be support for Ukraine if he did invade ), and Putin would not be lamenting on the loss of Greater Russian Empire and that the Russian Empire / USSR needs to be restored.
 
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How do you ignore the US intervention in Ukraine in 2014? The clearly stated goals? The Ukrain bombing of the Donbas

Either you believe that or you don’t.

It seems more people in EU are realizing the tired old “RUSSIA is going to invade us” fantasy is just that. Their words not mine.

Regardless of rewriting history, the EU is the one provoking war right now. Not Russia
 
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bigredfish said:
How do you ignore the US intervention in Ukraine in 2014? The clearly stated goals?

Either you believe that or you don’t.
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Ah, so basically the same logic of "Lindsey Clancy is innocent because .. "


Look, the rules were super simple with Ukraine .. go back to the ROOT

Ukraine gave up their Nukes to Russia for the promises by Russia, USA, UK to respect Ukraine's borders.

SIMPLE.

Nothing in those rules on "influence" operations .. USA and USSR / Russia have been playing influence games for a long time.

Putin lost the recent round of influence due in a large part by Ukrainians NOT liking Team Putin. That's on Putin not having a good Team Putin.
Ukrainian would have happy to be with their Russian Cousins if their Russian Cousins were not raping and murdering their wives and daughters.

SO Putin decides, invasion is a good idea .. and failed.

Just like Trump decided attacking Iran was a good idea .. and well, I think we all know what you think of Trump for that.
 
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If ever there was a time for a false flag blaming the Russians, this is it..
 
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sdkid said:
That analysis/commentary was scary AF!
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"3/ Why? Because Europe is crossing red line after red line:"

Well, Russia did cross a Redline by a full scale invasion of Ukraine .. attacking undersea cables from Finland to Estonia .. ( neither which was doing much against Russia )
Sabotage of European factories, other undersea cables, .. iirc there was even some assassinations done by Russia in Europe.

Honestly, I never thought Sweden AND Finland would have joined NATO.

Good Job Putin.

This is why EU is still supporting Ukrainian Defense.

And,

"15/ THE $30 BILLION LESSON Iran destroyed an entire Amazon AI infrastructure project in the Middle East — a $30 billion investment — using about $1 million in weapons.If the US wants to rebuild it, it will cost $90-120 billion.This is the new math of war."

Similar for Russia, they are getting hit in the economics :
"Combined losses for Wildberries and its sellers from Ukrainian drone strikes are estimated at 600–800 billion rubles ($7–9.5 billion), with some broader assessments reaching up to $12 billion."

There are GOOD reasons why Europe and USA did not want Putin / Russia starting a War with Ukraine. Putin was warned not to. Should have been happy with his gains from 2014.
 
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mat200 said:
"3/ Why? Because Europe is crossing red line after red line:"

Well, Russia did cross a Redline by a full scale invasion of Ukraine .. attacking undersea cables from Finland to Estonia .. ( neither which was doing much against Russia )
Sabotage of European factories, other undersea cables, .. iirc there was even some assassinations done by Russia in Europe.

Honestly, I never thought Sweden AND Finland would have joined NATO.

Good Job Putin.

This is why EU is still supporting Ukrainian Defense.

And,

"15/ THE $30 BILLION LESSON Iran destroyed an entire Amazon AI infrastructure project in the Middle East — a $30 billion investment — using about $1 million in weapons.If the US wants to rebuild it, it will cost $90-120 billion.This is the new math of war."

Similar for Russia, they are getting hit in the economics :
"Combined losses for Wildberries and its sellers from Ukrainian drone strikes are estimated at 600–800 billion rubles ($7–9.5 billion), with some broader assessments reaching up to $12 billion."

There are GOOD reasons why Europe and USA did not want Putin / Russia starting a War with Ukraine. Putin was warned not to. Should have been happy with his gains from 2014.
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If Putin was stupid and arrogant enough to attack Ukraine, is that arrogant stupidity still floating around in his skull?

Are there EU leaders who see Russian impotence and perceived weakness in Ukraine and think-- "it's time to strike and end the Red menace"

There seems to be a lot of dangerous thinking going on...
 
EU/NATO/US started this current war (Ukraine/Russia/Proxy war) in 2014

Russia has been the boogeyman for the West for a very long time.

No amount of revisionist history will change my mind on this

We really should leave this to the already 170 page thread on Ukraine/Russia and focus on current WW3 events in this one IMHO


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