Replacement cameras with a hitch

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I'm looking to replace the last 3 Lorex turret cameras in the system before they get too expensive or many of the cameras are discontinued.

I need to replace the 2 crisscrossing cameras in the driveway and the other one near the front door. The hitch? They have to run in color at night since the neighbor's corner house (my buddy whose house sits at a 45 degree) has a shit ton of IR blasters on his house and his fence. Running in BW, the cameras would be useless at night.

So, I guess that leaves out the 54IR since it does not have white LEDs that would be needed for nighttime. I think the only option would be the Color4M-T, yes?
 
Even running higher shutters you get blinded by the lights (song reference LOL)?

Maybe you should try the 4MTL that is supposedly the next best thing (cross referencing LOL).

Personally I find the 4M-T to be a decent camera if one wants the white lights and two way audio.
 
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wittaj said:
Even running higher shutters you get blinded by the lights (song reference LOL)?

Maybe you should try the 4MTL that is supposedly the next best thing (cross referencing LOL).

Personally I find the 4M-T to be a decent camera if one wants the white lights and two way audio.
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He has 6 of the 6" x 12" IR blasters running at night. Being backlit, the camera will be useless with that much IR

What is the 4MTL? Never heard of that model
 
This camera?

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EmpireTech IPC-Color4M-TL 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP WizColor Fixed-focal Turret

3.6mm is expected to arrive in 2 weeks; expedited shipping is not supported. 4MP 1/1.8" CMOS Built-in warm light, the max. illumination distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring Abnormality detection Supports max. 256 G Micro SD card Built-in Mic 12 VDC/PoE power supply IP67 protection Smart...
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This camera?

empiretech01.com

EmpireTech IPC-Color4M-TL 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP WizColor Fixed-focal Turret

3.6mm is expected to arrive in 2 weeks; expedited shipping is not supported. 4MP 1/1.8" CMOS Built-in warm light, the max. illumination distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring Abnormality detection Supports max. 256 G Micro SD card Built-in Mic 12 VDC/PoE power supply IP67 protection Smart...
empiretech01.com empiretech01.com
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I'm not even sure with all the new models on Dahua's site and Andy's part #s?

Is that the TIOC Color4M-T but without IR?
 
JPmedia said:
I don't need the two-way audio
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I was just throwing that out there as an added benefit.

Personally I find the 4M-T to do a fine job. This is a 1/120 shutter with the camera only having the benefit of the camera white light of my two-faced neighbor (LOL) jogging past the camera. Seems like sufficient surveillance image to me.

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One person here claims the much cheaper 4M-TL is even better than the 5442 series and classifies the 4M-T as junk, even though the 4M-T is the higher line Dahua 3449 series compared to the lower line 4M-TL Dahua 2449 series with underpowered SOC. The 4M-TL is white light only. But the same person also has not provided any video or stills of an object in motion to support their claim.....
 
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wittaj said:
I was just throwing that out there as an added benefit.

Personally I find the 4M-T to do a fine job. This is a 1/120 shutter with the camera only having the benefit of the camera white light of my two-faced neighbor (LOL) jogging past the camera. Seems like sufficient surveillance image to me.

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One person here claims the much cheaper 4M-TL is even better than the 5442 series and classifies the 4M-T as junk, even though the 4M-T is the higher line Dahua 3449 series compared to the lower line 4M-TL Dahua 2449 series with underpowered SOC. The 4M-TL is white light only. But the same person also has not provided any video or stills of an object in motion to support their claim.....
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I think the image you posted from the 4M-T is fine in a nighttime situation. I have a single 4M-T here new in the box

I can't see how a $110 dollar camera can outperform a $190 camera, and by leaps and bounds according to the poster. I think there are huge differences in the settings and/or installation for the 4MT-L to have a superior image. I mean, is the lense clean on the 5442? It sure doesn't look it

I would wait until some of the regular reviewers have had a chance to test the 4M-TL.
 
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Looks like the 4M-TL resolution is slightly less at frame rates over 20 fps:

  • Outputs max. 4 MP (2688 × 1520) @20 fps, and supports 2560×1440 (2560 × 1440) @25/30 fps.
I wonder why?
 
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JPmedia said:
Looks like the 4M-TL resolution is slightly less at frame rates over 20 fps:

  • Outputs max. 4 MP (2688 × 1520) @20 fps, and supports 2560×1440 (2560 × 1440) @25/30 fps.
I wonder why?
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Because it is the lower end model with a smaller SOC and can't keep up.
 
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I thought what the heck, let me see if I can find some Dahua 2449TL (4M-TL) videos.

Here is one to show how bright the image is with just ambient light from the distance, but it won't ID a person.

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Look how bright the static image is, but it won't ID a person.

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As I have mentioned, I think it makes for a good OVERVIEW camera as the AI is allowing a brighter static image, but as we all know, that comes at the cost of motion blur. Simple physics.
 
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JPmedia said:
I think the image you posted from the 4M-T is fine in a nighttime situation. I have a single 4M-T here new in the box

I can't see how a $110 dollar camera can outperform a $190 camera, and by leaps and bounds according to the poster. I think there are huge differences in the settings and/or installation for the 4MT-L to have a superior image. I mean, is the lense clean on the 5442? It sure doesn't look it

I would wait until some of the regular reviewers have had a chance to test the 4M-TL.
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I bought the camera for even cheaper. 86,98 US-Dollar
 
wittaj said:
I thought what the heck, let me see if I can find some Dahua 2449TL (4M-TL) videos.

Here is one to show how bright the image is with just ambient light from the distance, but it won't ID a person.

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As I have mentioned, I think it makes for a good OVERVIEW camera as the AI is allowing a brighter static image, but as we all know, that comes at the cost of motion blur. Simple physics.
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The individuals in the foreground should be identifiable at that relatively short distance, but they are not. Other than identifying there are two individuals here and the colors of their clothes (which, who knows if that is accurate), there really is nothing useful in the image
 
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Chokolinho said:
No, it's still in the box. I might be able to set it up in the garden today. However, there's hardly any light in the garden at night.
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That is perfect. We know how the 5442 series performs with hardly any light, and claims are being made this 4M-TL beats the 5442 in every lighting condition.

I think most of us will agree with the new PRO series does beat the 5442 in a static image competition with low light, but we are not using these cameras to enter still images at the County fair.

Most of us agree that no other light other than what the camera produces is worse case scenario that we want the camera to perform in!
 
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