Israel attacked by Hamas...

[d5775927]

Opinion stated as fact? bigred already beat me with a few details of the opposite point of view. With all of the shit propaganda flying around, I doubt that any of us here know squat about the real truth for both of the US's wars right now.

Russia's land grabs in Ukraine since 2000 have been marked by a series of aggressive and illegal territorial occupations, culminating in a full-scale invasion in 2022. Here's a breakdown of the key developments:

---

Timeline of Russian Land Grabs in Ukraine

️ 2014: Crimea and Donbas

• Crimea Annexation: In March 2014, Russia illegally annexed Crimea, claiming to protect Russian-speaking citizens. This move absorbed around 10,400 square miles and 2.4 million people into Russia.
• Donbas Conflict: Russian-backed separatists seized parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, igniting a war that displaced millions.

2022: Full-Scale Invasion

• February 24, 2022: Russia launched a full-scale invasion, initially capturing large swaths of territory in the north, south, and east.
• Occupied Regions: Russia claimed control over parts of Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donetsk, and Luhansk oblasts. At its peak, Russia held nearly 20% of Ukraine's territory.

Ukrainian Counteroffensives

• Kharkiv Liberation: In September 2022, Ukraine retook most of Kharkiv Oblast.
• Kherson Liberation: In November 2022, Ukrainian forces liberated the city of Kherson.
• Territory Regained: Ukraine reclaimed over 4,600 square miles and 500 settlements during its 2022 counteroffensive.

---

Current Status (as of 2024–2025)

• Russia still occupies parts of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson.
• Ukraine demands full withdrawal of Russian forces, while Russia insists on keeping all occupied territories.
• The UN has condemned Russia’s annexations as illegal and reaffirmed Ukraine’s territorial integrity.

---

Land grab since 2014, from Copilot.
What part you claim to be false?

 

[bigredfish]

The very first two points.

If the US army was shelling its own people in say, Maine, it wouldn’t surprise one to think that Canada may say whoa, that’s enough of that shit.

Granted Canada may not be able to actually militarily take Maine, but they would likely support it

 

[bigredfish]

 

[d5775927]

The very first two points.

If the US army was shelling its own people in say, Maine, it wouldn’t surprise one to think that Canada may say whoa, that’s enough of that shit.

Granted Canada may not be able to actually militarily take Maine, but they would likely support it

I didn't see a reference for Ukraine shelling its own people.

Lets assume that's correct.
If Lebanon government will shell its own people in south Lebanon, does it give Israel the legitimatcy to conquer south Lebanon?
Again we get to the same point, where the world is twisted, what is allowed to Russia is not allowed to Israel, even when in Israel case it tries to return it's hostages in Gaza, or protect it's citizen from missiles that were launched from Lebanon.

 

[tigerwillow1]

I could blow you away with what Revelations has to say about the future of Israel. They have a third exodus coming.

All nations will come against Israel. ALL nations, including us, that is if we are still around when this happens.
We are not mentioned in the Bible...

I have a theory why USA isn't mentioned in the Bible. It will be annexed by Israel. We're pretty far down that road already.

 

[bigredfish]

I didn't see a reference for Ukraine shelling its own people.

Lets assume that's correct.
If Lebanon government will shell its own people in south Lebanon, does it give Israel the legitimatcy to conquer south Lebanon?
Again we get to the same point, where the world is twisted, what is allowed to Russia is not allowed to Israel, even when in Israel case it tries to return it's hostages in Gaza, or protect it's citizen from missiles that were launched from Lebanon.

If in your scenario, like Eastern Ukraine, the people were aligned with Israel and Israel did so to protect them, yes.

Whatever your source, is woefully inadequate. The Ukrainian shelling of the Donbas and the 2014 US/NATO coup after telling Russia a for years we would not move further east, clearly and rightfully provoked Russia to enter Ukraine.

 

[David L]

I sure learn alot from you guys....

 

[bigredfish]

I sure learn alot from you guys....

LOL, my opinion is just that, my opinion,. Some things I know for fact, others I'm just as apt to be wrong as anyone else

I don't live over there/. I dont view it as our fight. I think I get more enraged by the Israeli government telling me what to think and constantly dragging us into it. The pushback is very real worldwide by a large segment.

They've been killing each other for thousands of years in that part of the world, as least as far back as Jesus who himself was killed for having a different opinion.

 

[d5775927]

If in your scenario, like Eastern Ukraine, the people were aligned with Israel and Israel did so to protect them, yes.

Israel helped Syrians during the civil war, without capturing Syrian land. I would expect the same from Russia or any other county.

Israeli humanitarian operations during the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Imagine you see your neighbor beating his wife, does it means you have a legitimacy to kick him out of his house and start living in it with his wife or connecting the two houses?
It's just wrong.

 

[Sybertiger]

Ok I see your 3000 years.

Palestinian History, A Chronology - Palestine Remembered

Chronology of Palestinian History with timelines; step by step. In a nutshell this is Palestinian History for dummies/beginners.

www.palestineremembered.com

You can have it.

If we’re gonna go back 3000 years I’m a little worried about the folks in Texas and New Mexico though…

 

[David L]

I have a theory why USA isn't mentioned in the Bible. It will be annexed by Israel. We're pretty far down that road already.

So my son has been sharing most of the same stuff from X as bigredfish has been sharing. There is a guy he follows that has a theory that Israel, with our assistance, is planning to take over the Middle East, that is police it. While we focus on China, since we can't deal with two major wars.

Guess we will see...

 

[bigredfish]

Israel helped Syrians during the civil war, without capturing Syrian land. I would expect the same from Russia or any other county.

Israeli humanitarian operations during the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Imagine you see your neighbor beating his wife, does it means you have a legitimacy to kick him out of his house and start living in it with his wife or connecting the two houses?
It's just wrong.

The people in the Donbas region were very close in most regards to Russia. Remember they were part of the USSR until 1991. The east had a closer affinity for Russia than the pro European Western part of the country.

Same with Crimea

History of Ukraine - Independent Ukraine | Britannica

History of Ukraine - Independent Ukraine: The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991. (About 84 percent of eligible voters turned out for the referendum, and about 90 percent of them endorsed independence.) In an election coinciding with...

www.britannica.com

 

[tigerwillow1]

This Israel-Palestine debate reminds me, structure-wise, of something I was involved in. One time when I was a t-ball coach, kid #2 hit kid #1 on the head with a bat. Cut and dry who's innocent and who's guilty, right? Wrong. Digging deeper, #1 had done something nasty to #2, preceded by #2 doing something nasty to #1, and so on to the point where it wasn't possible to figure out who was the good guy and who was the bad guy, who started it, or who was right and who was wrong.

 

[bigredfish]

^^^^^
Yes, this

 

[bigredfish]

So my son has been sharing most of the same stuff from X as bigredfish has been sharing. There is a guy he follows that has a theory that Israel, with our assistance, is planning to take over the Middle East, that is police it. While we focus on China, since we can't deal with two major wars.

Guess we will see...

I’d rather we focused on the rapid decline of our own country.

Neither is going to happen. Israel isn’t going to achieve the greater Israel map and China isn’t going to lay down and let us do as we please in Asia.

Both are pipe dreams meant to affect public opinion. Always has to be a boogey man

 

[Sybertiger]

This Israel-Palestine debate reminds me, structure-wise, of something I was involved in. One time when I was a t-ball coach, kid #2 hit kid #1 on the head with a bat. Cut and dry who's innocent and who's guilty, right? Wrong. Digging deeper, #1 had done something nasty to #2, preceded by #2 doing something nasty to #1, and so on to the point where it wasn't possible to figure out who was the good guy and who was the bad guy, who started it, or who was right and who was wrong.

A medium size meteor strategically placed would be welcomed. Then the debate would be over.

 

[Sybertiger]

The very first two points.

If the US army was shelling its own people in say, Maine, it wouldn’t surprise one to think that Canada may say whoa, that’s enough of that shit.

Granted Canada may not be able to actually militarily take Maine, but they would likely support it

I would support Canaduh taking a large chunk of the northeast....why stop at Maine.

 

[David L]

A medium size meteor strategically placed would be welcomed. Then the debate would be over.

Well it may be coming...God said no more flooding the earth, fire is next...

 

[bigredfish]

Well it may be coming...God said no more flooding the earth, fire is next...

Greaaattt
All those swimming lessons wasted

 

[David L]