Experience with Unifi Protect and UNVR Pro

Can protect be set up using Zerotier for remote viewing? I use cellular internet, specifically T-Mobile so ZeroTier is a must.

Also is the app pretty much the same on both Apple and Android?
 
Can protect be set up using Zerotier for remote viewing? I use cellular internet, specifically T-Mobile so ZeroTier is a must.

Also is the app pretty much the same on both Apple and Android?
You can use Zerotier but Unifi has it’s own encrypted setup that works great so unlike Blue Iris you shouldn’t need to use any 3rd party services to make Protect accessible remotely.

Yes Protect has apps for both Apple and Android.
 
You can use Zerotier but Unifi has it’s own encrypted setup that works great so unlike Blue Iris you shouldn’t need to use any 3rd party services to make Protect accessible remotely.

Yes Protect has apps for both Apple and Android.
is that Teleport you are talking about, or somthing else?
 
is that Teleport you are talking about, or somthing else?
No, Unifi has its own servers that create the encrypted remote connection for you in Protect. So unlike BI you don’t need port forwarding or any 3rd party services whatsoever to make it work. All you need is an internet connection that’s it.
 
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No, Unifi has its own servers that create the encrypted remote connection for you in Protect. So unlike BI you don’t need port forwarding or any 3rd party services whatsoever to make it work. All you need is an internet connection that’s it.
Interesting. This is sounding more and more appealing.

I have been doing some research online about the UNVR/UNVR pro. Just watched a video from four years ago. Seems like these devices are pretty long in the tooth. It would be my luck that I'd buy one and they would turn right around with a newer device with better features.
 
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Interesting. This is sounding more and more appealing.

I have been doing some research online about the UNVR/UNVR pro. Just watched a video from four years ago. Seems like these devices are pretty long in the tooth. It would be my luck that I'd buy one and they would turn right around with a newer device with better features.
Yes the UNVR was released in mid 2020 and the UNVR Pro was released in mid 2021. That said they are definitely still well in production and I don’t think there’s any indication they will be phasing them out anytime soon. I have older Edge Switches from Ubiquiti that aren’t even made anymore and they are still making firmware updates for them which is amazing. All their NVRs use Protect and that has also been getting very regular updates so I’d say you are quite safe buying one of these if you were so inclined. There’s also quite a market for used Ubiquiti gear so even if you didn’t want it anymore you could still get most of your money back. If you do pick up a used one then check the box because it will tell you the date that hardware was tested (I’d try to stay within 2024 if possible so you get the latest motherboard revisions). Of course if you find a killer deal on an older used one then a compromise might be worth it.
 
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plus very weak IR (even on latest cams) and lack of hybrid LEDs..
I haven't been happy with the IR on any of my Empire Tech cameras, except for the ones in rooms in my house and shop. They work great in those scenerios. Outside they look washed out and hard to view. I fixed all that with external IR lighting and turned the onboard camera IR off. I did the same thing with my 4K T cams and their onboard LED's. They were somewhat gimicky so I just installed my own LED soffit lighting in the different areas where I have my 4K T cams.

The new G6 unifi cameras do look tempting but the sensor size is still too small for 4K. Night time is when all the critters come out around here. I have excellent viewing of all their activities using my three IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 cams and external IR floods.
 
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I haven't been happy with the IR on any of my Empire Tech cameras, except for the ones in rooms in my house and shop. They work great in those scenerios. Outside they look washed out and hard to view. I fixed all that with external IR lighting and turned the onboard camera IR off. I did the same thing with my 4K T cams and their onboard LED's. They were somewhat gimicky so I just installed my own LED soffit lighting in the different areas where I have my 4K T cams.

The new G6 unifi cameras do look tempting but the sensor size is still too small for 4K. Night time is when all the critters come out around here. I have excellent viewing of all their activities using my three IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 cams and external IR floods.
I have the exact same setup and use external IR illuminators while turning off the onboard camera’s IR. Totally agree it works way better and I find it also cuts down on bugs in front of my cameras on summer nights. I have 10 of those IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 cams running through Protect and I have no issues capturing good both day and night images.

The G6 cameras are good in the daytime but like you said the sensor needs to be bigger. So if you really need good nighttime images then at least for now we are stuck buying the more expensive AI Pro cameras if you need AI triggering at night. Hopefully the next few revisions will seriously improve the sensor and IR performance of the G7/G8 cameras.
 
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I have the exact same setup and use external IR illuminators while turning off the onboard camera’s IR.
Ditto for me, the main reason being the center hotspots. We'll see if it's improved in the new PRO cameras.
 
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Just add a drive and you can stream all your cams to both Blue Iris and Protect at the same time.
Maybe turn off recording on my Blue Iris machine and use it only for alerts. Use Protect on the UNVR for everything else.

From what I have read, I don't think unifi is going to add much in the way of more features for 3rd party cameras. (read below). I would probably just wait a generation or two and just replace my current cameras all at once. Hopefully they will have even better specs by then.

"UniFi Protect simplifies the integration of ONVIF-compatible third-party cameras, making it easy to incorporate your existing security infrastructure into the UniFi ecosystem. This flexibility allows you to gradually transition to a UniFi-only setup at your own pace, ensuring a smooth upgrade path without needing to replace all your cameras at once."
 
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Maybe turn off recording on my Blue Iris machine and use it only for alerts. Use Protect on the UNVR for everything else.
What kind of alerts do you normally see or need on Blue Iris? Are they usually in the day or at night? Just thinking what might be the best setup for your specific situation. I have a big rural property but really I only need to know when folks come by the doors (guests, packages, workers, etc) so my Reolink app is set to notify me so I know to look if I want. Everyone’s situation is different so it would be helpful to know what you need your system to do and then we should be able to help you achieve that.
 
What kind of alerts do you normally see or need on Blue Iris? Are they usually in the day or at night? Just thinking what might be the best setup for your specific situation. I have a big rural property but really I only need to know when folks come by the doors (guests, packages, workers, etc) so my Reolink app is set to notify me so I know to look if I want. Everyone’s situation is different so it would be helpful to know what you need your system to do and then we should be able to help you achieve that.
Well, a few different things. I mentioned earlier about my three IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 cams. I have them mounted on the back of my shop which is a busy thoroughfare for night time critters. I will lay in bed reading waiting for the alerts to come in so I can watch the racoons, opposums, skunks (yuck), deer etc. My neighbor shot the local Bobcat that lived on the back of my property, so I can't watch him anymore. Also I like getting alerts when my wife comes home from work so I can meet her at the door. (I'm retired). I also like knowing that I will get alerts from the IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 cam that I have in my detached shop. Just in case someone decided to enter uninvited. Same goes for the cameras at each entry door of my house. It's just a peace of mind thing.

The reason that I have had so much fun with my cheap Tapo cams watching over the garden, is because of the automation they trigger in Home assitant. When they detect a deer trying to munch the plants, the alert sets off an automation that turns on two really bright strobes as well as the underground sprinklers for 10 seconds each. It has worked extremely well all summer.

 
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Well, a few different things. I mentioned earlier about my three IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 cams. I have them mounted on the back of my shop which is a busy thoroughfare for night time critters. I will lay in bed reading waiting for the alerts to come in so I can watch the racoons, opposums, skunks (yuck), deer etc. My neighbor shot the local Bobcat that lived on the back of my property, so I can't watch him anymore. Also I like getting alerts when my wife comes home from work so I can meet her at the door. (I'm retired). I also like knowing that I will get alerts from the IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 cam that I have in my detached shop. Just in case someone decided to enter uninvited. Same goes for the cameras at each entry door of my house. It's just a peace of mind thing.

The reason that I have had so much fun with my cheap Tapo cams watching over the garden, is because of the automation they trigger in Home assitant. When they detect a deer trying to munch the plants, the alert sets off an automation that turns on two really bright strobes as well as the underground sprinklers for 10 seconds each. It has worked extremely well all summer.

Ah ok, so primarily watching animals along with the occasional person and you need Home Assistant integration. That's not a huge ask as all really, very doable. I think if I were you there's definitely a few options to consider. Besides status quo, the first option is as you suggested would be just using BI for alerts and HA integrations while using Protect to view footage. Next would be to possibly add an AI port to the cameras you need triggers for (could swap doorbells for Reolink POE, their app also has AI triggers) to be able to take advantage of AI triggering in Protect and use that to integrate into HA. Issue here is that the AI port needs more work IMHO before it's ready for prime time. Obviously the last option is to actually replace some of the cameras with Unifi ones to get native AI capability and integrate into HA. The last one is not a cheap option especially if you're going with the AI Pro versions that have the best night vision, but this would definitely be the slickest setup and nicest to use.

Not a fan of this guy but the recent video does a really good job of laying out Protect and how you can integrate all the various features (AI port, AI Key, Unifi cams, 3rd party cams, Home Assistant, etc). There's also lots of folks in the comments also taking about their experiences with BI, Frigate, Protect, Home Assistant, etc.
 
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I am a long time user of Blue Iris and Andy's Dahua cameras (about 20x). Recently I have been experimenting with UI's Protect system added to an existing UI networking system.
  1. UDMB - UniFi OS 4.3.6 and Network 9.3.43
  2. UNVR Pro - 4.4.2
  3. Protect - 6.1.65 - updated when updating NVR to 4.4.2
  4. No UI cameras
I was not interested in Protect until the AI Port was able to support AI detections on ONVIF cameras. I have been slowing adding AI Ports and Dahua cameras to Protect. So far I am mostly impressed. Most of my cameras have no equivalent from UI - Color-X, 12 x zoom, and ITC437-PW6Ms which do a great job of license plate detections day or night.

Some notes:
  1. Very easy to see live cameras or recent detections on an iPhone using UI's Protect app. See below for three screen captures from my iPhone. No port forwarding. No VPN. No problems.
  2. Very easy to use with some maddening exceptions.
  3. The AI Ports do an excellent job of detecting vehicles, plates, people, and animals during the daytime or with sufficient light.
  4. Poor detections at night without lots of light. My front door camera is mounted under a porch light. It is setup to properly expose faces about 4-10 feet away. Great detections within that range on people and animals. Few to no detections farther away
  5. No LPR detections at night. Two LPR cameras are setup to view plates which leaves most of the image black. Almost nothing gets detected at night - no plates, no vehicles, not even motion. During the day almost all readable plates are read correctly.
  6. Web access using Safari almost useless. Have to use Firefox or Chrome instead.
  7. Many strange quirks and bugs that seem to take forever before UI fixes them, if they ever do.
Protect Dashboard capture from my iPhone showing live video:
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Find Anything on my iPhone showing recent detections:
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Face recognition on my iPhone showing faces I have not assigned names:
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Bottom line - if you use UI for networking adding Protect is an interesting option.


Side note - the UI G6 Pro Bullet camera looks interesting.
Sensor - 1/1.2" 8MP
Lens - F 5.9-13.8 mm; ƒ/1.5-ƒ/2.9
Night Mode - Built-in adaptive IR LED illumination and IR cut filter.
Expensive, $478, but at least its a 8MP camera on a 1/1.2" sensor with AI capabilities.
 
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I agree with pretty much everything @quest100 said above in terms of what to expect with Protect and integrating 3rd party cameras with AI triggers. The AI Ports are good but not great so I think they are developing something to replace this in the not too distant future. I use Protect either on my phone or in a browser (I use Chrome and it works great) and I've even seen people set this up in a vehicle to have access (here it is in a Tesla). I am curious about the G6 Pro Bullet and how well it performs versus the AI Pro Bullet (especially at night). I would probably just opt for the AI LPR as well (great video on setting it up) since it’s a dedicated LPR camera designed specifically to grab plates both day and especially at night (only has 3x optical zoom but does work well if plates are within range). I’m also curious how well the AI DSLR performs but the price is a bit too high to just buy one and test it out.
 
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yea, i would say if they were 40 or 50 per cam that may be doable.

but at 200, no thanks.
Not just price, there’s still too many limitations to them (versus native AI in Unifi cameras) IMHO to really make a good case for adding them to say 10-20 ($2,000-4,000) or more 3rd party cameras and really getting the most out of your investment. It will definitely give you more AI functionality than current 3rd party ONVIF capability without it in Protect but then the question is does it really give you $200 worth per camera considering it's still not as good as the native AI in Unifi cameras? It may make sense to add AI ports to certain cameras (only handles resolution up to 4k) if you only really need AI on a select few of them and again they do have limitations as @quest100 pointed out. I think the perfect AI solution for 3rd party camera integration is coming to Unifi Protect, it just isn’t out there yet.
 
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