Experience with Unifi Protect and UNVR Pro

yea i agree.

yea, just wondering the processing power difference for a unit like that at only $199 with a poe switch, and hdmi out

vs one of their Main UNVr systems,

or even vs the new dahua / empire AI NVRs
Best way IMHO to compare them is by the total size of the camera streams they can handle (you can see there's a big jump between the UNVR instant and the UNVR).

UCK G2 Plus - 15-16Mb/s
UNVR Instant - 18-19Mb/s
UNVR - 55-56Mb/s
UNVR Pro - 74-75Mb/s
ENVR - 217Mb/s
 
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It does show how overpriced the Viewport is; here in the EU that thing is priced exactly the same as the NVR Instant (€214,80), but the NVR adds Protect, 3.5" HDD support and a 6-port POE-switch.
But their offerings sort of overlap:

€214,80 NVR Instant: 15xHD / 8x2K / 6x4K with 3.5" HDD. Runs Protect and Access. Also 6-port POE-switch and HDMI Viewport.
€222 Cloud Gateway Max: 15xHD / 8x2K / 5x4K with NVME SSD. Runs Network, Protect and Access (among others)
€274,80 Cloudkey+ : 24xHD / 14x2K / 8x4K with 2.5" HDD. Runs Network, Protect and Access (among others).
€322,80 UNVR: 60xHD / 30x2K / 18x4K with 4 3.5" HDD. Runs Protect.

The NVR kit costs €646,80 where the NVR Instant (€214,80) + 4 G5 Turret Ultra camera's (€96 each) comes to €598,80.
That leaves around €50 for a HDD; you can get a 1TB drive for less or a 2TB WD Purple for about €10 more so it makes sense to buy it separately.

If memory serves me right; their camera stuff used to be much more expensive than Dahua's but now they've capable stuff that's actually cheaper.
Yeah, camera quality maybe not up to par; but in almost every other way it's better. Much more user friendly way to apply settings across webUI and app, nicer/user friendly UI/app, updates sometimes causes problems but mostly adds new interesting things (never updating firmware on Dahua stuff because it can/may break things is ridiculous when you think about it)
But there are certainly interesting developments at Ubiquiti with their camera stuff. If family would ask me for a (simple) camera system, something like this would certainly be an option because I know they could probably find their way around the UI and settings where as with Dahua my advise would be "don't touch it"...
 
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Before G6, Ubiquiti used mostly 1/2.8" sensors on lower cams...
Now with G6, they migrated to 1/1.8" on lower cams and in PRO there is 1/1.2"..
big change in plus...

but YouTube videos shows that video processing is at level comparable to Dahua/HIK cams 4 years ago...
plus lack of more lens options and custom manual settings is for some a big problem...
plus very weak IR (even on latest cams) and lack of hybrid LEDs..

I think they will overcome most (not all) of those problems in next 1-2 generations of cams..
And then they will be very good solution for people here...
 
If memory serves me right; their camera stuff used to be much more expensive than Dahua's but now they've capable stuff that's actually cheaper.
Yeah, camera quality maybe not up to par; but in almost every other way it's better. Much more user friendly way to apply settings across webUI and app, nicer/user friendly UI/app, updates sometimes causes problems but mostly adds new interesting things (never updating firmware on Dahua stuff because it can/may break things is ridiculous when you think about it)
But there are certainly interesting developments at Ubiquiti with their camera stuff. If family would ask me for a (simple) camera system, something like this would certainly be an option because I know they could probably find their way around the UI and settings where as with Dahua my advise would be "don't touch it"...
I totally agree. I have all Empire tech Andy cams (13 total) running on Blue Iris. When I started out it was a slight steep learning curve for me to get it all set up and running. Fast forward to earlier this summer. I bought a couple cheap Tapo cameras to watch over our garden. They have been some of the most fun I have ever had with cameras. The phone app is super easy to use and updates appear to work well. The settings are all displayed in easy to get to sections. I too think it's rediculous recommending not to update Dahua firmware because it might break things. Whats even more rediculous is that it's a good recommendation because I have run into issues doing just that.

I personally will be keeping a close watch on Unifi and everything they are doing. When the time comes for me to update my system one day, I may switch things over. I've certainly been thinking about pulling the trigger on some of their networking gear to replace my TP Link stuff.
 
I totally agree. I have all Empire tech Andy cams (13 total) running on Blue Iris. When I started out it was a slight steep learning curve for me to get it all set up and running. Fast forward to earlier this summer. I bought a couple cheap Tapo cameras to watch over our garden. They have been some of the most fun I have ever had with cameras. The phone app is super easy to use and updates appear to work well. The settings are all displayed in easy to get to sections. I too think it's rediculous recommending not to update Dahua firmware because it might break things. Whats even more rediculous is that it's a good recommendation because I have run into issues doing just that.

I personally will be keeping a close watch on Unifi and everything they are doing. When the time comes for me to update my system one day, I may switch things over. I've certainly been thinking about pulling the trigger on some of their networking gear to replace my TP Link stuff.
Honestly I would spend a couple bucks and pick up a UNVR or UNVR Pro if I had that many Empire Tech and Topo cams and wanted to access them on a cell phone. Just add a drive and you can stream all your cams to both Blue Iris and Protect at the same time. I really think you'll be blown away by how functional Protect is on a cell phone. That's really why I use it as well, I don't even have a viewport setup on my system at all. You obviously don't need to use Ubiquiti networking stuff to set this up but I do since it's just so much easier to manage everything that way (once it's setup again I manage it all from my cell phone).
 
Honestly I would spend a couple bucks and pick up a UNVR or UNVR Pro if I had that many Empire Tech and Topo cams and wanted to access them on a cell phone. Just add a drive and you can stream all your cams to both Blue Iris and Protect at the same time. I really think you'll be blown away by how functional Protect is on a cell phone. That's really why I use it as well, I don't even have a viewport setup on my system at all. You obviously don't need to use Ubiquiti networking stuff to set this up but I do since it's just so much easier to manage everything that way (once it's setup again I manage it all from my cell phone).
Have you ever compared the UNVR and software to blue iris, a dahua nvr, etc?
 
Have you ever compared the UNVR and software to blue iris, a dahua nvr, etc?
I ran Blue Iris for a bit and it was just way too cluncky and cumbersome for my liking. Yes there's millions of adjustments you can make with it but it reminds me of a Y2K era program with way too many issues and unnecessary complexities. The BI phone app was terrible by comparison and that was really what sealed the deal for me. I haven't used the Dahua NVR or their software at all so I can't really talk to that at all but Protect has been fantastic even considering the current limitations on using 3rd party ONVIIF cameras. BI would need to vastly up their game for me to ever consider switching back again and that's if Unifi didn't improve at all from where it is right now.
 
Unfortunately Protect works very poorly with other (non-Ubiquiti) camera's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know you can connect ONVIF camera's so Protect can record them 24/7, but nothing else.
No camera detections getting through, I believe the NVR's don't do any sort of IVS/detection on non-Ubiquiti camera's (so you would need the €214 AI Port for every non-Ubiquiti camera) and limited audio support.

If it did; it could be a nice solution; Dahua camera's for their (image)quality and a Ubiquiti NVR for it's nice/user friendly UI/app.
 
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I ran Blue Iris for a bit and it was just way too cluncky and cumbersome for my liking. Yes there's millions of adjustments you can make with it but it reminds me of a Y2K era program with way too many issues and unnecessary complexities. The BI phone app was terrible by comparison and that was really what sealed the deal for me. I haven't used the Dahua NVR or their software at all so I can't really talk to that at all but Protect has been fantastic even considering the current limitations on using 3rd party ONVIIF cameras. BI would need to vastly up their game for me to ever consider switching back again and that's if Unifi didn't improve at all from where it is right now.

Thanks. I have a lot of ubiquiti fan boy friends that have used their cams and networking gear for years. Their cams have always been lack luster for the price, so thats why I never decided to go that direction.

Which non unifi cams do you run. Do you have the ai port or key? What issues with those cams have you noticed with Protect, and using Empire/ dahua cams?
 
Thanks. I have a lot of ubiquiti fan boy friends that have used their cams and networking gear for years. Their cams have always been lack luster for the price, so thats why I never decided to go that direction.

Which non unifi cams do you run. Do you have the ai port or key? What issues with those cams have you noticed with Protect, and using Empire/ dahua cams?
You can see in my signature what cams I use (mostly EmpireTech turrets and 1 LPR cam) with it and no, I don't use any AI on Protect except with my G6 Instant and the doorbells (Reolink phone app). I record everything 24/7 anyway so no difference there at all for me. If I did want to do facial recognition or LPR on Protect I would just add a G6 or AI Pro camera for that specifically. The AI port could add AI capabilities to my cameras but I'm waiting for the next version (hopefully a single system that can handle AI for many 3rd party cameras) before I pull the trigger on that. The AI Key is really a waste IMHO unless you have alot of clips to search through regularly since you can't use that without having the AI port or a Unifi AI capable camera. Protect does allow you some basic camera adjustments like PTZ control, taking photos, pulling clips, etc but definitely nothing like what they provide for the Unifi cams. Again besides those limitations I''ve mentioned I haven't had any issues with using my EmpireTech cameras at all however I do use IR illuminators to help with night vision and keep bugs away from the cameras at night.
 
Unfortunately Protect works very poorly with other (non-Ubiquiti) camera's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know you can connect ONVIF camera's so Protect can record them 24/7, but nothing else.
No camera detections getting through, I believe the NVR's don't do any sort of IVS/detection on non-Ubiquiti camera's (so you would need the €214 AI Port for every non-Ubiquiti camera) and limited audio support.

If it did; it could be a nice solution; Dahua camera's for their (image)quality and a Ubiquiti NVR for it's nice/user friendly UI/app.
I agree and I think they are in the process of developing exactly what you're describing right now. The only part missing on 3rd party cameras IMHO is the ability to adjust the images and add AI capability (AI port is just a bit too clunky of a solution for me). The rest of Protect works amazing otherwise.
 
You can see in my signature what cams I use (mostly EmpireTech turrets and 1 LPR cam) with it and no, I don't use any AI on Protect except with my G6 Instant and the doorbells (Reolink phone app). I record everything 24/7 anyway so no difference there at all for me. If I did want to do facial recognition or LPR on Protect I would just add a G6 or AI Pro camera for that specifically. The AI port could add AI capabilities to my cameras but I'm waiting for the next version (hopefully a single system that can handle AI for many 3rd party cameras) before I pull the trigger on that. The AI Key is really a waste IMHO unless you have alot of clips to search through regularly since you can't use that without having the AI port or a Unifi AI capable camera. Protect does allow you some basic camera adjustments like PTZ control, taking photos, pulling clips, etc but definitely nothing like what they provide for the Unifi cams. Again besides those limitations I''ve mentioned I haven't had any issues with using my EmpireTech cameras at all however I do use IR illuminators to help with night vision and keep bugs away from the cameras at night.
so only 24/7 recording with the ET cams with ur protect?

no ivs. line crossing, etc?

I dont really care about searching "kid with blue backack riding a scooter", but would like some basic ivs and line crossing notifications?

can this be one in protect without the AI key, or do you need one of those per camera?
 
so only 24/7 recording with the ET cams with ur protect?

no ivs. line crossing, etc?

I dont really care about searching "kid with blue backack riding a scooter", but would like some basic ivs and line crossing notifications?

can this be one in protect without the AI key, or do you need one of those per camera?

you need unifi cam...
those events are available over ONVIF, but ubiquiti don't want to support this (business decision).
 
so only 24/7 recording with the ET cams with ur protect?

no ivs. line crossing, etc?

I dont really care about searching "kid with blue backack riding a scooter", but would like some basic ivs and line crossing notifications?

can this be one in protect without the AI key, or do you need one of those per camera?
The searching "kid with blue backack riding a scooter" is what the AI Key does, you don't need that IMHO. The AI port can do the AI detections you're talking about (facial, LPR, person of interest, etc) but again you'd need one per 3rd party camera you want to add that function or you can just add a Unifi G6 or AI Pro camera to do that as well. Personally I don't need it that badly so I've just been waiting for the 3rd party AI solution to mature a bit more but I do play around with the AI on my G6 Instant.