Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series

anyone get this camera yet?

would love to see more video quality and reviews.
Yesterday we shipped out the 1st lot of the cameras, there will have a newer fw this week, so we will send it later to all users this week when ready.
 
It is probably the angle you are dealing with. These were designed with more straight on-overhead placement, not the less than ideal angle we homeowners have to deal with.
So that feature is useless and would have to stick with IVS rules
 
You mean you can Not Set crossline as you like? Thats completly different to what we have Seen in the Screens before. And also in Video where he shows the detection from far away.
So could someone confirm this?

Did you look behind Advanced Settings in drop down menu?
 
Thanks for the update @EMPIRETECANDY ... and can you please let us know the respective versions (when you have that info) so those of us getting the cameras (I ordered mine on Saturday) will know what we have.
Yes we will send the download links to all buyers to update, aha, maybe tomorrow can send, sure earlier than you receive the camera.
 
Yes we will send the download links to all buyers to update, aha, maybe tomorrow can send, sure earlier than you receive the camera.

LOL you better get on it @EMPIRETECANDY ... since I just got an update for my order with UPS tracking saying it should be here in a couple of days ... ;-)

UPDATE: I just got a delivery (Tuesday afternoon) ... so @EMPIRETECANDY can you please send me the latest firmware for the "EmpireTech PFB2203W Wall Mount Bracket" ... ;-)
 
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But this is not Dahua decision...

Simply ONVIF as a standard & organisation is not here.. And never have been. Don't support new features..

And no one is extending this standard fast enought... Or is extending with features a few years later after manufacturers implement them.

Big plus with Dahua is that we have public documentation of Dahua HTTP API. Last version which I have are 860 pages.

You can do hundreds things using this API, which are not available over ONVIF.

PS. Latest Dahua cams supports 4 ONVIF profiles: Profile S & Profile G & Profile T & Profile M - so in theory you have access to AI functionality defined by ONVIF M (metadata) like object detection & classification (humans, cars, faces, car plates). In theory full Video Meta Data functionality should be available to BI over ONVIF M (metadata). How much is implemented by BI?

It's is Dahua's decision. They can't make ONVIF change their standard. They can however, release their NVR / Software side interface as a new open standard for everyone to use to make their camera features potentially available to all brands of NVR / software. By making their interface the new open standard, they have complete control of it especially if they use a free licensing agreement that forbids alteration of the base code / features. At the end of the day, it goes over poe so it's a transmission standard any software / nvr should be able to decode with the correct decoding software and should be able to access the full Dahaua advanced feature set if it can. This makes far more sense than locking people into a closed system. A well known manufacturer had a closed system and seems to be slowly pulling back away, presumably because they may have realised it restricts sales.
 
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I see I've been misunderstood here. And unfortunately, I must now defend Dahua. Dahua isn't locking anything down. The market is simply such that only they implement their own functions in their own solutions.

Exactly this. Dahua has it's own solution. It could make it freely avalaible as an open standard to others. It's choosing not to but instead to lock it's features to it's own equipment. Dahua's features are almost certainly camera side and hardware / firmware implementated, so it's likely only the decoding that happens client side. So no reason why Dahua couldn't make it's alternative standard openly available as client side it doesn't compomise it's features. Any features client side could be patented or otherwise protected anyway by licensing agreements. Restricting is not going to end well for sales as I see it.
 
Having spent much of my career doing software for a large corporation I'll push back on this. It is entirely possible to produce software that performs well and is relatively bug free, but the corporations choose not to, for both cost and time-to-market reasons.

Yes and entirely possible. A large company I know uses it's enthusiast community to debug it's software and rewards them with free licenses / it's hardware products. It worked extremely well and you don't need code experts only a community as rather than looking in the code for bugs, all community members do is explore and use every aspect of the software as an end user would, then report back any crashes / anomolies with auto generated logs / screenshots / video clips. The code techs then trace down the bugs in the code based on this feedback. Simple very low cost model that removes most bugs from the software prior to release if done for a few months before release (although it continues after release to track down new bugs as features / changes are made or bugs missed are discovered), and the only cost to the company is some free software licenses or a bit of free hardware as occassional thank you gifts for helping out to those selected members of the community who choose to participate and contribute.
 
It's is Dahua's decision. They can't make ONVIF change their standard. They can however, release their NVR / Software side interface as a new open standard for everyone to use to make their camera features potentially available to all brands of NVR / software. By making their interface the new open standard, they have complete control of it especially if they use a free licensing agreement that forbids alteration of the base code / features. At the end of the day, it goes over poe so it's a transmission standard any software / nvr should be able to decode with the correct decoding software and should be able to access the full Dahaua advanced feature set if it can. This makes far more sense than locking people into a closed system. A well known manufacturer had a closed system and seems to be slowly pulling back away, presumably because they may have realised it restricts sales.
Yes and entirely possible. A large company I know uses it's enthusiast community to debug it's software and rewards them with free licenses / it's hardware products. It worked extremely well and you don't need code experts only a community as rather than looking in the code for bugs, all community members do is explore and use every aspect of the software as an end user would, then report back any crashes / anomolies with auto generated logs / screenshots / video clips. The code techs then trace down the bugs in the code based on this feedback. Simple very low cost model that removes most bugs from the software prior to release if done for a few months before release (although it continues after release to track down new bugs as features / changes are made or bugs missed are discovered), and the only cost to the company is some free software licenses or a bit of free hardware as occassional thank you gifts for helping out to those selected members of the community who choose to participate and contribute.

Even though I'm a huge supporter of open source solutions, I think you've fallen quite deeply into the world of fantasy and wishful thinking...

Dahua is a large corporation with dozens of product lines. Their main asset, besides their brand, factories, and distribution network, is their know-how. This know-how encompasses many elements, but the most significant is the software platforms for their products.

Developed over almost 20 years, tens of millions of dollars have been invested in them. We laugh here that the UI/UX is weak and the solutions are poorly tested. But in practice, this is their biggest advantage over dozens of much smaller companies (Chinese but not exclusively) that also produce CCTV equipment. Most often, it's the cheapest ones (check Amazon/Aliexpress for cctv cams), with virtually zero profesional functionality and poor applications.

If Dahua were to publish the source code of their solutions, they would be giving all these smaller companies a free gift. And they would lose their advantage over them.

There's also the issue of code release rights. A significant portion of the code is third-party solutions – e.g., manufacturers of SOC chips or other integrated circuits, image sensors, AI companies etc., which Dahua doesn't have the rights to distribute as open source.

And then there's the security issue. Such a large codebase (millions of lines), developed over 20 years, likely contains hundreds, if not thousands, of bugs that could be exploited in hacking attempts. Finding and fixing them would take years.

Dahua has, I suspect, tens of millions of devices worldwide that would be susceptible to hacking based on released code holes. Releasing the code here would be one of the stupidest decisions Dahua could have made.

This could exposed millions of customers to the risk of hacking, and Dahua to complete excommunication from the entire CCTV industry.

Therefore, although I'm a huge supporter of open source, I suggest returning to the realities of how the market/industry works.

We have access to really good hardware products for really good prices. The software platform leaves a bit to be desired, but thanks to the knowledge / hacks / descriptions / documentation shared on the forum, we often manage to gain many times more than typical installers / users. From time to time, we even manage to get some bugs fixed or features add.

It's now bad as for a Chinese OEM company, which normally works without giving any support to or contact with end-users like us...
 
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