Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series

[steve1225]

54IR-S3 is very well known from default config which over-sharpen image...

Many people here on the forum decrease sharpening level in camera config on 54IR...

no they aren't the same time - each video shows someone at different distance, which is max for each camera...

 

[duplo]

Not sure why you are so obsessed with presentation / marketing infos from dahua. Most of the videos are under optimal conditions and or trained models for presentation material.

Reality is different, as you may notice.

 

[steve1225]

Not sure why you are so obsessed with presentation / marketing infos from dahua. Most of the videos are under optimal conditions and or trained models for presentation material.

Reality is different, as you may notice.

I'm not obsessed..

From time to time I have access to Dahua internal materials, which at this moment are the only place where Dahua put some real information, what they changed or where they progressed.
And what are the plans for future (like future camera/NVRs models or future firmware updates)?

If you look at dahua website, you will not find this information in Dahua product pages or spec sheet.

I hope there are interesting for forum members..

ps. when those cams will be available to all, you will find real benchmarks and comparison here from forum users..

 

[alekk]

YES @steve1225, I find your posting of Dauhu info interesting - thanks for doing.
And ditto the "real benchmarks/comparisons" from the forum users.

 

[redfive]

only one?

Actually, I need around 20'ish, but ... I'd like to test, before discovering that maybe, in a specific position/environment, could be better an S3 ...

 

[eman]

I would like to get a a 5859H-ZE-V-PRO yes the 4K version. No one has tested it yet but the sensor on these are pretty bright and I have lots of light so I would like to see if it would work on license plates. Someone did test the 3 series 4K and the test looked decent. @EMPIRETECANDY are you going to be sellling these at some time soon

 

[steve1225]

Actually, I need around 20'ish, but ... I'd like to test, before discovering that maybe, in a specific position/environment, could be better an S3 ...

Now we are talking

 

[EMPIRETECANDY]

I would like to get a a 5859H-ZE-V-PRO yes the 4K version. No one has tested it yet but the sensor on these are pretty bright and I have lots of light so I would like to see if it would work on license plates. Someone did test the 3 series 4K and the test looked decent. @EMPIRETECANDY are you going to be sellling these at some time soon

For LPR need powerful lens, the 2.7-12mm lens, will be hard, better to use a 8-32MM lens bullet Z4E.

 

[CCTVCam]

Interesting videos are working...

Comparison of normal IVS (on 54IR 3.6mm) and Large AI Model (on 54PRO 3.6mm)..
required pixel size of object is going down from 40x40 to 20x20..
Detection distance is going up by 50% - from 40m to 60m...

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The Pro version has a definately better image in that example. There's more detail in the fence in the right pro image without appearing oversharpened opposed to a very over sharpened artefact-y looking image in the non pro and the grass to the left of the path has more detail in the right pro image. To me the grass isn't just oversharpened in the non pro image but looks more processed and possibly has detail replaced with compression interpretation (difficult to tell from the distance out). I'm guessing compression is reduced on the pro version either by using a higher bit rate, less agressive codec or by AI enhancement. Either way, the Pro looks improved for image quality over the standard camera, at least to my eyes.

The real acid test is how sharp the images are in front of and behind the focal point and how far you can zoom into the image and still retreive a good picture for identification purposes, something I see as vital as life rarely arranges people to commit crimes exactly on the focal point of any camera, although if you're lucky the suspect will walk through it. Unfortunately you aren't always lucky eg a distant rock throw, or shot etc.

My other issues is I'm not a fan of LED lights. As a daily use I don't see the practicallity. Apart from cost of leaving them permanently on in both eletricity and needing a larger more powerful poe swicth to supply the power, there's also the light pollution outside your home and the wear that will inevitably befall the lights over time ie they will almost certianly get dimmer and fail. Personally I don't mind LED lights for reinforcement when triggered, although I prefer my own flood lighting here, but I'd rather a camera detect a tripped ivs in a dark state and then switch to led if necessary than have have led running all the time. Just my preference which the Dahua wind seems to be blowing aginst atm.

I guess it will all come out in the day / night tests.

 

[flynreelow]

cant wait for more testing.

 

[steve1225]

there is official V3.146.0000000.2.R.250827 firmware on Dahua website...

It has optimized Large Scale AI Models for false detections (+70MB bigger firmware.bin with AI learning data between .1 and .2).
There is also support for another new model of 5xPRO - PTRZ (mini PTZ) camera.

PTRZ cameras are simply dome cams with extra 1-2 very small motors to do PT movement. Dahua historically had something similar in form of SD1A204DB - very small toy.
They don't have Autro Tracking - PTRZ functionality is more for configuration or one time events when we want remotely change / optimize camera view direction.

Dahua should release those PTRZ models this month.
Those PTRZ cams have the same sensor/zoom range/features/spec sheet/firmware as normal 5xPRO - simply you can rotate remotely camera sensor in any direction (plus typical varifocal zoom/focus/iris change).

 

[duplo]

did you test it already ?

 

[steve1225]

I have one - as test cam... it works well on manual settings (automatic ones are bad)...

I want to create comparison to 54IR, 34PRO and Color4K - but I don't have space to mount 4 cams next to each other with some nice street view (modern concrete flat roof square house with no soffit or wood elements).

I will try to find some solution to this in weekend - to put some comparison videos.

 

[alekk]

There is also support for another new model of 5xPRO - PTRZ (mini PTZ) camera.

PTRZ cameras are simply dome cams with extra 1-2 very small motors to do PT movement. Dahua historically had something similar in form of SD1A204DB - very small toy.
They don't have Autro Tracking - PTRZ functionality is more for configuration or one time events when we want remotely change / optimize camera view direction.

Dahua should release those PTRZ models this month.
Those PTRZ cams have the same sensor/zoom range/features/spec sheet/firmware as normal 5xPRO - simply you can rotate remotely camera sensor in any direction (plus typical varifocal zoom/focus/iris change).

That's a nice feature ... since it's sometimes tricky to get Dome cameras to point exactly where you want it ... and then when you put the Dome over, there is some slight distortion that changes the FOV.

Plus then you don't have to get up on the ladder and juggle taking the dome off/on, look at a screen while adjusting things, etc.

What is the ballpark upcharge is for this feature?