aadje93
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Maybe i can be the test then lol, the shop suggested that i could order 1 and test it and then if i like them order the others and if i dont like it i could just ship it back
Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series
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flynreelow
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Wait, has no one really tested the IL yet?
and andy doesnt have access to gettin one for testing?
and andy doesnt have access to gettin one for testing?
Chokolinho
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Chokolinho
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I think someone on the forum bought one from a seller for €300. I think it was steve1225.
This post compares a 6mm S3 against a 6mm IL. It is not a review. Most of you focus on image quality, while my priorities are reliable animal detection and reduced false triggers. Within reason, image quality is priority #3.
The subject cameras, in 5442-S2 mounts because I don't like the S3 and IL fixed focal mounts. When the wind is blowing, the dancing tall grass results in frequent false triggers from both of them.
My overall conclusion is that in most (not all) cases the IL image is better, but remember my priorities and judge for yourself.
The subject cameras, in 5442-S2 mounts because I don't like the S3 and IL fixed focal mounts. When the wind is blowing, the dancing tall grass results in frequent false triggers from both of them.
My overall conclusion is that in most (not all) cases the IL image is better, but remember my priorities and judge for yourself.
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Techie007L
Getting the hang of it
It has been tested (see the thread linked above this one), but some here aren't satisfied with the tests and are too lazy to do their own, opting rather to have a pity-party and trash-talk cameras they haven't tested based on inferior cameras they have tested. Doesn't really matter too much if the IL series cameras aren't widely available though...
No offense but between cropped digitally zoomed images, default settings, no IR/Sometimes IR, and issues between BI and the camera IVS, 75ft shots with a 6mm lens, that , as stated by the OP, isn’t a review. Really doesn’t tell us much with regard to moving target image quality with more appropriate setting and lens choice
His sole objective was animal detection and I think given the above things, that could be greatly improved.
As I’ve said 3-4 times now, it would be nice to have a sample to test real world with settings appropriate for the scene and the cameras.
As to your comments @Techie007L about lazy and/or pity party, it’s obvious you’re all talk. Blow it out your ass
His sole objective was animal detection and I think given the above things, that could be greatly improved.
As I’ve said 3-4 times now, it would be nice to have a sample to test real world with settings appropriate for the scene and the cameras.
As to your comments @Techie007L about lazy and/or pity party, it’s obvious you’re all talk. Blow it out your ass
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looney2ns
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Chokolinho
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Could be, last chat I had with him on it was he thought they were using the same sensor as 54PRO or 34 TIOC PRO
Both we know to be noisy on motion subjects
He advised he is unable to order them for NA
I'm wondering if Dahua has decided to keep replacement models away from IPCT after the last new releases. Maybe they don't want us bagging on them again?
Send me one of yours and I will show you how unlazy I am LOL.
As pointed out, the thread you reference is digitally zoomed and cropped images on default settings which are useless examples and that is all that has been provided.
You keep claiming this cheaper camera is superior than the more expensive 5442 series, yet continue to provide wall of texts instead of examples.
Folks here want to see how cameras work in low light with freeze frame capability of objects in motion and sadly no camera has shown that exists on default settings.
A few criticisms to respond to:
-cropped digitally zoomed images - What the heck is wrong with that? Would you rather see the full frame with what you want to identify as 5% or less of the area?
-default settings - Post #4 discloses some non-default daytime settings, and 0-4ms nighttime shutter. I did get past the issue of the IL resetting its exposure to auto.
-issues between BI and the camera IVS - If I said that somewhere I must have been smokin' something good. I've never had any issues with IVS on BI. Incidentally, all of the posted images were from smartPSS snapshots.
-Really doesn’t tell us much with regard to moving target image quality with more appropriate setting and lens choice - In my naivety, I can't see why the frame-by-frame sequence in post #11 doesn't show moving target image quality. When I have a tough time with identification, I go to still frames, not moving video.
I'll admit I'm too lazy to post video. When the going gets tough for identification I always go to still frames. But on the lazy aspect, why the heck hasn't anybody else bought an -IL to test, instead of bitching there haven't been any tests? A sample of one doesn't give high confidence results, but it's the only one you've got right now. It's correct that I didn't do a formal review, but I've spent many hours TESTING the -IL over 3-1/2 months. Unless some new firmware improves things, it has all been a waste of time for me, but I still continue on.
-cropped digitally zoomed images - What the heck is wrong with that? Would you rather see the full frame with what you want to identify as 5% or less of the area?
-default settings - Post #4 discloses some non-default daytime settings, and 0-4ms nighttime shutter. I did get past the issue of the IL resetting its exposure to auto.
-issues between BI and the camera IVS - If I said that somewhere I must have been smokin' something good. I've never had any issues with IVS on BI. Incidentally, all of the posted images were from smartPSS snapshots.
-Really doesn’t tell us much with regard to moving target image quality with more appropriate setting and lens choice - In my naivety, I can't see why the frame-by-frame sequence in post #11 doesn't show moving target image quality. When I have a tough time with identification, I go to still frames, not moving video.
I'll admit I'm too lazy to post video. When the going gets tough for identification I always go to still frames. But on the lazy aspect, why the heck hasn't anybody else bought an -IL to test, instead of bitching there haven't been any tests? A sample of one doesn't give high confidence results, but it's the only one you've got right now. It's correct that I didn't do a formal review, but I've spent many hours TESTING the -IL over 3-1/2 months. Unless some new firmware improves things, it has all been a waste of time for me, but I still continue on.
I'm wondering if Dahua has decided to keep replacement models away from IPCT after the last new releases. Maybe they don't want us bagging on them again?
FCC Sanctions getting more restrictive.
From your own words opening sentence: I was trying to be nice. I specifically said you were testing animal detection only.
It is not a review. Most of you focus on image quality, while my priorities are reliable animal detection and reduced false triggers. Within reason, image quality is priority #3.
Reading your test gave me no clue as to settings. The 0-4 was on one camera the other at default. No direct comparison and only a few setting mentions.
Image: Defaults, except for night on the S3 with brightness=60 and gamma=71, for a better overall match to the IL's night image.
Exposure: Daytime auto, night 0-4ms, except the IL likes to keep changing it by itself to auto, so I really don't know what it was for the previous pictures.
FPS: 10
Bitrate: 8192, H264
Digital zoom by nature distorts and creates pixelation.
It’s fine if you just want to know if it’s a fox or a moose but it’s a horrible measure of image quality.
I’ve been asking for one for 2-3 months. They’re not available!
Chokolinho
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I could buy one, but there's no way I'm paying 400–600 for a camera like that. Max 200.
-issues between BI and the camera IVS - If I said that somewhere I must have been smokin' something good. I've never had any issues with IVS on BI. Incidentally, all of the posted images were from smartPSS snapshots.
SmartPSS is a viewer. It has no bearing on image quality
-Really doesn’t tell us much with regard to moving target image quality with more appropriate setting and lens choice - In my naivety, I can't see why the frame-by-frame sequence in post #11 doesn't show moving target image quality. When I have a tough time with identification, I go to still frames, not moving video.
Those again are cropped digital zoom images. Useless for image quality , but again you said and I pointed out, image quality wasn’t your concern
SmartPSS is a viewer. It has no bearing on image quality
-Really doesn’t tell us much with regard to moving target image quality with more appropriate setting and lens choice - In my naivety, I can't see why the frame-by-frame sequence in post #11 doesn't show moving target image quality. When I have a tough time with identification, I go to still frames, not moving video.
Those again are cropped digital zoom images. Useless for image quality , but again you said and I pointed out, image quality wasn’t your concern
I'm not going to continue this tit-for-tat. I concede the endurance contest. I'll just keep quietly pointing to the comparison thread every time it's stated to not exist.
I specifically said you were testing animal detection only.
And I said the everybody can judge the other aspects for themselves from the tens of pictures. There are some pretty significant image differences from frames that I very carefully snapped at the exact same time +/- the frame interval. There are NO digital zooms posted, only crops.
The 0-4 was on one camera the other at default.
In post #4 it said the -IL switching to a night default setting applied to the PREVIOUS pictures. The majority of pictures were after that.
True, I ran the day pictures at default settings, which gave good results from both cameras.
A thorough review gives a lot of results over a short period of time. Looking at real world results over months gives a pretty good overall evaluation without having to go into details. My overall conclusion still is:
I'm a bit fed up over the statements that no testing exists, or that the one and only one report is of no value. It's the only one that's out there, damn it. How the heck is it that I was the only one able to get an -IL? Did my order magically go through when all the others were rejected? The fixed focal version was under $200 before prices went up this year.
If looking at a full frame is better than a crop, here are a couple example full frame images. The deer is about 50' from the camera. There's a bit of unavoidable parallax from the cameras being about a foot apart. Over and over again, the -IL crushes the S3 when there are big light intensity differences in the frame.
I specifically said you were testing animal detection only.
And I said the everybody can judge the other aspects for themselves from the tens of pictures. There are some pretty significant image differences from frames that I very carefully snapped at the exact same time +/- the frame interval. There are NO digital zooms posted, only crops.
The 0-4 was on one camera the other at default.
In post #4 it said the -IL switching to a night default setting applied to the PREVIOUS pictures. The majority of pictures were after that.
True, I ran the day pictures at default settings, which gave good results from both cameras.
A thorough review gives a lot of results over a short period of time. Looking at real world results over months gives a pretty good overall evaluation without having to go into details. My overall conclusion still is:
- Both the S3 and IL as good as any other 4MP camera in daylight. Sometimes one or the other can be a bit better, but overall a wash.
- Most of the time the -IL gives a better image at night, even with motion.
- Animal detection on the S3 is fairly good, not perfect. On the -IL it's horrible.
- I'm not aware of any human detection failures on the S3. The -IL misses sometimes, 10% of the time as an estimate with no controlled testing for an exact number.
- With animal detection enabled, both cameras generate an obnoxious number of false triggers from moving branches, tall grass, and shadows.
- No vehicles ever crossed the path of either camera.
I'm a bit fed up over the statements that no testing exists, or that the one and only one report is of no value. It's the only one that's out there, damn it. How the heck is it that I was the only one able to get an -IL? Did my order magically go through when all the others were rejected? The fixed focal version was under $200 before prices went up this year.
If looking at a full frame is better than a crop, here are a couple example full frame images. The deer is about 50' from the camera. There's a bit of unavoidable parallax from the cameras being about a foot apart. Over and over again, the -IL crushes the S3 when there are big light intensity differences in the frame.