bigredfish
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Exactly the comparison scene we need to see, at night with settings.
1- B&W/IR
2- Color with ambient light no onboard light (assuming a porch light or nearby street light)
3- Color with onboard LEDs
Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series
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Exactly the comparison scene we need to see, at night with settings.
1- B&W/IR
2- Color with ambient light no onboard light (assuming a porch light or nearby street light)
3- Color with onboard LEDs
Ok, I'll post a video by tomorrow. (Helping a friend with some landscaping today.)
Yes, fixed lens normally work a little better than the motorized lens, this happen on the IPC-T54IR-AS S3 and the IPC-T54IR-ZE S3. But motorized lens is flexiable for adjust the view angle compare to the fixed lens.
I upload the 2 different firmware on our website.
For manual Setting use the 20250731
For Auto setting use the 20250928
I upload the 2 different firmware on our website.
For manual Setting use the 20250731
For Auto setting use the 20250928
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We tested the Color4M-T here before. The new Pro motorized lens have bit stroner IR than the 4M-T, also stronger than the T54IR-ZE. The new fw we put on the 54por is based on the low light situation, the original fw is too bright, night same as daytime pic. But not too good as a security camera, blurry when have moving human and other things. Sure for the 4M-t is a nice camera..
We Welcome to post more pics and bugs report for these new Pro cameras.
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We Welcome to post more pics and bugs report for these new Pro cameras.
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Here is a quick comparison video I made of the IPC-Color4M-T and IPC-T54PRO-ZE.
SETUP:
Both cameras were set up as close as possible with the same focal length and placement. To match the 3.6mm of the Color 4M-T, I set the zoom of the T54PRO-ZE to “173.” The distance of the cameras’ target was 15’5”. The accompanying video is focused only on night captures, since that is what everyone seemed to be interested in seeing. Note, I did include a screen capture from my NVR of the daytime image from consecutive days at the same time for each camera. As you can see, the Color4M-T looks better.
THE VIDEO:
As requested by Bigredfish, I made video clips of three comparison scenes:
1. B&W with illumination by the cameras’ IR
2. Color with the porch lights turned “on”
3. Color with the porch light “off” but LEDs of the cameras turned “on”
Also, as a final clip, I switched on Smart Illumination and walked out to the porch to see how long the IR would take to switch over to the warm LEDs.
For the test, I walked into camera view, and then in the next clip I ran to show if ghosting was a problem with the shutter setting 0-8.33.
In Summary, the T54PRO-ZE is nice, but I am going to swap the Color4M-T back tomorrow to monitor the front door. It was the clear winner in the test for both day and night. I could tweak the settings for the IPC-T54PRO-ZE to eliminate the noise and help with illumination, but I wanted this test to focus on both cameras with the same settings.
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SETUP:
Both cameras were set up as close as possible with the same focal length and placement. To match the 3.6mm of the Color 4M-T, I set the zoom of the T54PRO-ZE to “173.” The distance of the cameras’ target was 15’5”. The accompanying video is focused only on night captures, since that is what everyone seemed to be interested in seeing. Note, I did include a screen capture from my NVR of the daytime image from consecutive days at the same time for each camera. As you can see, the Color4M-T looks better.
THE VIDEO:
As requested by Bigredfish, I made video clips of three comparison scenes:
1. B&W with illumination by the cameras’ IR
2. Color with the porch lights turned “on”
3. Color with the porch light “off” but LEDs of the cameras turned “on”
Also, as a final clip, I switched on Smart Illumination and walked out to the porch to see how long the IR would take to switch over to the warm LEDs.
For the test, I walked into camera view, and then in the next clip I ran to show if ghosting was a problem with the shutter setting 0-8.33.
In Summary, the T54PRO-ZE is nice, but I am going to swap the Color4M-T back tomorrow to monitor the front door. It was the clear winner in the test for both day and night. I could tweak the settings for the IPC-T54PRO-ZE to eliminate the noise and help with illumination, but I wanted this test to focus on both cameras with the same settings.
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Which firmware are you using ?
Which settings ?
From the video i would say 0928 on manual mode.
Again. You cant use 0928 in manual mode with settings like on other cams. ..
If you want to use manual mode, try firmware 0731 or official august firmware from dahua website.
Which settings ?
From the video i would say 0928 on manual mode.
Again. You cant use 0928 in manual mode with settings like on other cams. ..
If you want to use manual mode, try firmware 0731 or official august firmware from dahua website.
WOW ... the Color4M-T crushed the T54PRO-ZE in your testing ... but (as @duplo posted as I did), which firmware do you have on the T54PRO-ZE?
Per this thread, I just rolled back from 0928 to 0731 and the gain control is completely different.
Any explanation why when doing "Color with the porch lights turned “on”", the 4M-T had quite a bit of color, but the T54PRO-ZE had none?
Per this thread, I just rolled back from 0928 to 0731 and the gain control is completely different.
Any explanation why when doing "Color with the porch lights turned “on”", the 4M-T had quite a bit of color, but the T54PRO-ZE had none?
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As @alekk posted in the other thread, the gain control on 0928 is different. If you use gain 50 in manual mode its like gain 20.
If you want to use manual mode, you should use 0731 firmware.
But the cam is hard to control under manual mode, if you go above gain 62 the cam go total crazy with color@night, no matter what shutter you use. This is also on some scenes at day.
Quote @alekk :
"UPDATE: I can kinda see/understand why from a marketing/sales perspective that you "redid" the scale since yea, once you go past 62 (on the 0731 firmware), the noise really does increase ... and I can envision people doing this, seeing the noisy image, and saying "this camera sucks" ... so maybe have something on the gain bar that says "using high values will brighten an image, but may introduce undesirable noise."
OK - a very important comment for those testing their new 54PRO (and it also applies to the 34PRO/Color4M/TIOC-PRO)...
These cameras have a dual system for "amplification" of brightness at night. The first, the classic gain, also called ISO, is an analog gain on the sensor itself. This analog gain causes a lot of noise, so we mainly use manual mode and limit the gain to 50 (+/- 10).
If we set a shutter speed that's too fast (like 1/100 or 1/120) and a low gain, the image on older cameras (54IR) was too dark. However, on new WizColor cameras with AI-ISP, there's a second level of gain—it's included in the permanently enabled HDR algorithm (a modern version of WDR from mobiles / sport cameras / drones).
HDR in WizColor cameras dynamically remaps the brightness and color mapping for the entire image. This makes the image much brighter (and better visually organized / more colorfull) in dark conditions with a fast shutter speed. A major advantage of HDR is that it doesn't generate noise and is performed on an image already denoised from the camera (after 2D/3D noise reduction).
Therefore, "lowering" the gain (ISO) works much better on the 34PRO/54PRO cameras. It also produces a much better, less noisy image.
For now, Dahua is struggling with the firmware internal settings for this camera. I hope they don't mess them up, and future official firmware versions will only improve them.
These cameras have a dual system for "amplification" of brightness at night. The first, the classic gain, also called ISO, is an analog gain on the sensor itself. This analog gain causes a lot of noise, so we mainly use manual mode and limit the gain to 50 (+/- 10).
If we set a shutter speed that's too fast (like 1/100 or 1/120) and a low gain, the image on older cameras (54IR) was too dark. However, on new WizColor cameras with AI-ISP, there's a second level of gain—it's included in the permanently enabled HDR algorithm (a modern version of WDR from mobiles / sport cameras / drones).
HDR in WizColor cameras dynamically remaps the brightness and color mapping for the entire image. This makes the image much brighter (and better visually organized / more colorfull) in dark conditions with a fast shutter speed. A major advantage of HDR is that it doesn't generate noise and is performed on an image already denoised from the camera (after 2D/3D noise reduction).
Therefore, "lowering" the gain (ISO) works much better on the 34PRO/54PRO cameras. It also produces a much better, less noisy image.
For now, Dahua is struggling with the firmware internal settings for this camera. I hope they don't mess them up, and future official firmware versions will only improve them.
It's not out off control, the new fw we did mainly for the Auto pics, the original gain is to 100, this will make the pic very bright and lots of blurry at night time. So we down it to 62, the AUTO pic will get the best pics, we test a lot.
Most guys use manaul settings, so we will pull off the 0928 fw right now. I will collect more information from the report here and make some adjustment on the later fw. Thanks a lot for your posting! @tmxv4128
Most guys use manaul settings, so we will pull off the 0928 fw right now. I will collect more information from the report here and make some adjustment on the later fw. Thanks a lot for your posting! @tmxv4128
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bigredfish
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Nicely done. This I think is the environment/scene type most will use this for.
For larger area coverage for now I’m sticking with the 5442 series and adding ambient light where needed. The downside of the 5442 being it’s hotspotting with IR
You can see why I cautioned waiting
I think it’s safe to say the FW still needs some work on the 54PRO. Per others it sounds like the older 0731 is the only option for Manual settings.
@steve1225 i understand the concept of the HDR, like that used in dash cams, but in practice even with the 3449PRO I’m not seeing it work as intended. I’ll try lowering gain more and using faster shutter to see if I can get it to kick in
there is upper limit of it.. defined in internal firmware settings...
Older TIOC-PRO firmwares allowed for more...
It's a pity that it can't be edited in manual settings..
My main problem with automatic modes (and the entire AI-SSA) is that Dahua should introduce a simple, three-position global setting when AI-SSA is enabled, titled:
Prioritize: * MOTION * DEFAULT * BRIGHTNESS
which should affect / limit the maximum shutter speed in automatic mode (MOTION max to 1/100 or 1/120, DEFAULT max to 1/50 or 1/60, BRIGHTNESS max to 1/25 or 1/30).
And all other automatic settings & algorithms (visible or internal) should be adaptive to this ONE main settings – the AI-ISP hardware can process & extract a lot...
bigredfish
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I tried the Andy's 09/28 FW and the BLC function did not work as well as other day/night settings...back to 07/31 FW and it all worked again...lesson learned again 
Yeah, i will listen more to guys' report, and next version fw will make it working better. When i get newer version fw i will send guys for further testing.
Andy - please don't fight for firmware "custom" versions with reported fixes. Only for fixing reported bugs and issues in the general Dahua firmware.
Custom versions are good for a short period of time. Dahua can prepare a special firmware version with specific modifications for a large customer or distributor/OEM partner.
But then a huge problem begins when Dahua releases subsequent versions of generic firmware with new features & changes.
54PRO is a new line of Pro cameras. Over the next 2-3 years, we'll see 2-4 major updates, each with significant changes and new features. Plus 10-20 small/empty (so security) fixes..
Receiving / synchronizing firmware custom versions with individual changes for these subsequent major updates is next to impossible.
No sweat @EMPIRETECANDY - stuff happens ... and progress is sometimes two steps forward and one step back.
Good this issue got a lot of visibility and thanks for making the older FW available.
Ditto what @steve1225 said about the software development process.
And I hope that you (and Dahua) will continue to give us "full manual" control - let us get in "trouble" by not "limiting" us.
Good this issue got a lot of visibility and thanks for making the older FW available.
Ditto what @steve1225 said about the software development process.
And I hope that you (and Dahua) will continue to give us "full manual" control - let us get in "trouble" by not "limiting" us.