Why specifically? I hear that a lot on this site but usually just opinion statements like, "they are crap" without any real world testing \ comparison results. You test a lot of cameras here, (Thanks for that I like your reviews!). Do you have hands on testing with either of these brands? I have an old Wifi connected Foscam PTZ I use to watch my cats in various areas around the house. It's always worked great, connected fine to BI with 24/7 recording...even dropped it a flight down onto hardwood floor and still works. So they are not the better quality image as Dahuas or Hiks but in my experience it works fine for it's intended purpose and the image is decent for 1080 day and night.