Why do so many people here dislike Wi-Fi cameras?

I've got a few WiFi Amcrest 1041 pan/tilt cameras around the house, wired where possible. We hear them reset/reboot/rehome at least once or twice every day. Apparently something isn't particularly stable with this model, and it causes a camera reboot. Worst case is in the kitchen, where the camera is atop the refrigerator and next to the microwave. LOADS of EFI in the kitchen. Wishing I had run a couple of Cat-5e cable drops there when we remodeled twenty-something years ago.
 
I'm baffled as to why standard construction doesn't include conduit for running whatever later on. PVC is practically nothing.

I have relatively easy attic access (16" rafters) that gives access to the 2nd story including the garage. Placed my network hub in the coat closet which is relatively centrally located in the house. Since I have vaulted ceilings there is extra space above the coats for my network gear. It has an outlet since that's where the doorbell transformer was installed, so I had power in my coat closet. My doorbell was wired with CAT3 and RJ11 ends, so it was easy to run POE/ethernet over it after cutting the ends off and putting RJ45 ends on. The lower floor was a PITA to run CAT6 to.

I've successfully used powerline adaptors on my rental and at other friend's houses. I'd go that route over WiFi. I consider WiFi a last resort, or to create a bridge between distant networks (using directional antennas).
 
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You have already gotten a lot of good info. But I would like to add some shit from a different perspective.

I, like a lot of folks here, started out with some WIFI cams. Maybe 6-8 LaView 2MP pan/tilt cams using the LaView app. They only recorded on motion. But the motion was actually pretty good. They have the ability to connect with ethernet cables but not POE, so one still has to run a wall wort connection. I had a couple pointing out the front door side windows, two in the garage, two inside pointed at the front door, one inside pointed at the back door, and one in the living room. This was back in 2018. Then I came across IPCAMTALK, got BlueIris up and running and had these cams all recording 24/7 to BI. They were constantly dropping off the network and restarting, so I changed most of them to hardwired via ethernet. Then I started buying Dahua cams from Andy. Over time I built a good little network, even doing LPR.

As time went on, I replaced most of those cams with Dahua POE cams. But I still have two of them hardwired inside and two WIFI inside. The WIFI cams were always resetting or marked no signal for quite a lot of time each day. Finally my ISP's router shit the bed and they shipped a replacement that has much better signal. Now those two cams only reset a couple of times a week but are never offline for long. But the video and audio are not that good, even for the hardwired ones. I have plans to replace them all, but they are low priority. Also, the LaView app no longer works.

Then my daughter passed away in our house back in September and we were away. I kick myself for not replacing those inside cams. There was important footage (to me anyways) that just is not as clear as I would like. And the audio is hard to hear. And the video skips/jumps right when I really needed them to be perfect. Two of them are WIFI since there is no easy way to get ethernet cables to them, but running a USB connection to a wall outlet was simple. But one of the WIFI cams caught some very important footage and thankfully it did not go offline then.

I have a Class A diesel pusher motorcoach that was broken into at the storage yard a few years ago. Did not have any cams in there so bummer. I now have some WIFI cams from Wyze that I am very happy with. One points to the door and does a very good job of alerting on motion. The quality is very good as when the door opens, the lights come on and the cam is right there five feet from your face. I get great shots of myself coming and going. I had three of their battery cams that I would mount outside when parked at the storage yard and they record on motion. They have IR and white LEDs that can be set to come on with motion. The shutter reacts quite fast. Twice I caught folks approaching the coach at night and both times they backed off when the lights came on. I since moved out of that storage yard. I have mounted one on the ladder on the back of the coach for when we are parked during travel so that I can look at the pickup connected to the coach at night when I hear something. Those battery ones last for a few months since they only record on motion. Never had any dropouts since the WIFI connection is just feet away inside the coach and is connected via cellular.

I would not use WIFI cams as the only cams for surveillance. But they can be appropriate in specific use cases as long as you understand the limitations.
 
It degrades over time. At first its not a problem. 4,6,8 hours later, network response starts lagging and stuttering. Slow response mostly.
I haven't measure it in any technical way, but having done so 1/2 dozen times, and watching everything go back to normal when disconnecting, its obvious

Both are 4MP older Amcrest
That actually sounds more annoying than just random disconnects honestly.

Like everything slowly getting worse over hours would probably drive me crazy
 
I'm baffled as to why standard construction doesn't include conduit for running whatever later on. PVC is practically nothing.

I have relatively easy attic access (16" rafters) that gives access to the 2nd story including the garage. Placed my network hub in the coat closet which is relatively centrally located in the house. Since I have vaulted ceilings there is extra space above the coats for my network gear. It has an outlet since that's where the doorbell transformer was installed, so I had power in my coat closet. My doorbell was wired with CAT3 and RJ11 ends, so it was easy to run POE/ethernet over it after cutting the ends off and putting RJ45 ends on. The lower floor was a PITA to run CAT6 to.

I've successfully used powerline adaptors on my rental and at other friend's houses. I'd go that route over WiFi. I consider WiFi a last resort, or to create a bridge between distant networks (using directional antennas).
Honestly the conduit point makes way too much sense.

Feels like modern houses are full of smart devices now but still not really designed for future wiring at all
 
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You have already gotten a lot of good info. But I would like to add some shit from a different perspective.

I, like a lot of folks here, started out with some WIFI cams. Maybe 6-8 LaView 2MP pan/tilt cams using the LaView app. They only recorded on motion. But the motion was actually pretty good. They have the ability to connect with ethernet cables but not POE, so one still has to run a wall wort connection. I had a couple pointing out the front door side windows, two in the garage, two inside pointed at the front door, one inside pointed at the back door, and one in the living room. This was back in 2018. Then I came across IPCAMTALK, got BlueIris up and running and had these cams all recording 24/7 to BI. They were constantly dropping off the network and restarting, so I changed most of them to hardwired via ethernet. Then I started buying Dahua cams from Andy. Over time I built a good little network, even doing LPR.

As time went on, I replaced most of those cams with Dahua POE cams. But I still have two of them hardwired inside and two WIFI inside. The WIFI cams were always resetting or marked no signal for quite a lot of time each day. Finally my ISP's router shit the bed and they shipped a replacement that has much better signal. Now those two cams only reset a couple of times a week but are never offline for long. But the video and audio are not that good, even for the hardwired ones. I have plans to replace them all, but they are low priority. Also, the LaView app no longer works.

Then my daughter passed away in our house back in September and we were away. I kick myself for not replacing those inside cams. There was important footage (to me anyways) that just is not as clear as I would like. And the audio is hard to hear. And the video skips/jumps right when I really needed them to be perfect. Two of them are WIFI since there is no easy way to get ethernet cables to them, but running a USB connection to a wall outlet was simple. But one of the WIFI cams caught some very important footage and thankfully it did not go offline then.

I have a Class A diesel pusher motorcoach that was broken into at the storage yard a few years ago. Did not have any cams in there so bummer. I now have some WIFI cams from Wyze that I am very happy with. One points to the door and does a very good job of alerting on motion. The quality is very good as when the door opens, the lights come on and the cam is right there five feet from your face. I get great shots of myself coming and going. I had three of their battery cams that I would mount outside when parked at the storage yard and they record on motion. They have IR and white LEDs that can be set to come on with motion. The shutter reacts quite fast. Twice I caught folks approaching the coach at night and both times they backed off when the lights came on. I since moved out of that storage yard. I have mounted one on the ladder on the back of the coach for when we are parked during travel so that I can look at the pickup connected to the coach at night when I hear something. Those battery ones last for a few months since they only record on motion. Never had any dropouts since the WIFI connection is just feet away inside the coach and is connected via cellular.

I would not use WIFI cams as the only cams for surveillance. But they can be appropriate in specific use cases as long as you understand the limitations.
Really appreciate you sharing all of that.

And I’m very sorry about your daughter.

Your point about understanding the limitations depending on the use case honestly makes a lot of sense.
 
It degrades over time. At first its not a problem. 4,6,8 hours later, network response starts lagging and stuttering. Slow response mostly.
I haven't measure it in any technical way, but having done so 1/2 dozen times, and watching everything go back to normal when disconnecting, its obvious

Both are 4MP older Amcrest
I have one 4MP older Amcrest WIFI camera installed on the detached garage as well. It works mostly, but sometimes it goes into slow motion mode and pause for a few seconds before moving again when motion is detected. It gets annoying after a while.... But it's not important enough to spent time pulling cables there. I seldom check that camera anyway.
 
I'm baffled as to why standard construction doesn't include conduit for running whatever later on. PVC is practically nothing.
Builders and contractors are notoriously lazy and ill-informed. If you don't demand something, it's not gonna happen. Low-voltage wiring wasn't something the electricians wanted to do during our renovation, so I did it myself. Installed Cat-5e solid copper (best available at the time) and it's been extremely reliable for over twenty years. Just fortunate the mice haven't found it tasty in all that time.
 
Builders and contractors are notoriously lazy and ill-informed. If you don't demand something, it's not gonna happen. Low-voltage wiring wasn't something the electricians wanted to do during our renovation, so I did it myself. Installed Cat-5e solid copper (best available at the time) and it's been extremely reliable for over twenty years. Just fortunate the mice haven't found it tasty in all that time.

100% builders look to max profits and are already taking shortcuts on quality for all sorts of areas, resulting in poor build quality.

imho the only way to get it done right is to DIY inspect the work each day, and to hire your down or DIY low voltage wiring while the framing is up.

I do like the idea of running conduit in some spots to help run and run updated data cabling over the years.
 
I recently added twelve Wi-Fi Ring cameras. With eight of them constantly uploading video to Ring, 24/7, over the past five weeks. Surprisingly, they have worked very well over 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi. Since they are always uploading video. I thought I might have issues, but they have been rock solid.

But, my WiFi network is also rock solid. With two Asus BE96U routers in a mesh setup, on my main network. And one Asus Zen WiFi Pro ET12 and one Asus RT-AX 57 Go setup as an Access Points, on the Blue Iris camera part of my network. But, only some of my Ring cameras connect to the Camera side right now. At some point, I will probably move the rest over.

After adding the twelve Wi-Fi Ring cameras, I now have over 85 devices on my Wi-Fi network and 70+ wired devices. With everything rock solid and working great.
 
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I hope it works for you, but let's wait until an incident happens and see how rock solid and working great it is. That is usually when we see the potential flaws exploited.
 
Are those only uploading event video clips or full time stream?
Can you go to the Ring cloud and view 24 hours of recorded video or just event video?
 
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Are those only uploading event video clips or full time stream?
Can you go to the Ring cloud and view 24 hours of recorded video or just event video?
It is 24-hour video. It is being uploaded continuously. And, I can view any of it at any time. That is with those eight, wired, Ring cameras. My other four Ring cameras only upload events. Those are connected to Solar panels and run off of batteries.

EDIT: The Ring cameras, with continuous recordings, go back 14 days. But, they also have event videos in each camera's history. Event videos are kept for 180 days.
 
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Would never use a WiFi camera for ID purposes
What is fascinating is how easy it is to intercept packets over WiFi :rofl:
 
Would never use a WiFi camera for ID purposes
What is fascinating is how easy it is to intercept packets over WiFi :rofl:
I'm not really worried about it. Plus, I still have my wired cameras in my Blue Iris setup.

With Ring, I was setting up an alarm system at home with them. To replace my Honeywell Lynx system I installed in 2015. And the cost of monitoring can also cover using Ring cameras, for no extra charge. So, I figured WTH.

I already had several Wi-Fi cameras at my parents house, with a Ring Alarm. So, when the cameras were on sale. A week or two before Amazon day, I figured I would purchase some. Since there was no extra cost to have them covered under the Ring extended warranty. And also have them used with the Ring cloud storage.
 
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It is 24-hour video. It is being uploaded continuously. And, I can view any of it at any time. That is with those eight, wired, Ring cameras. My other four Ring cameras only upload events. Those are connected to Solar panels and run off of batteries.

EDIT: The Ring cameras, with continuous recordings, go back 14 days. But, they also have event videos in each camera's history. Event videos are kept for 180 days.

That’s great
I have 2 Amcrest cams that are set to WiFi. I don’t record them and I don’t use their cloud, so they’re not streaming through my network. Just live view occasionally to check on the sheds.

When/If I link them to the NVR and stream full time, within a day I see obvious network slowdown. Netgear R8000 only 1400 sq ft
 
That’s great
I have 2 Amcrest cams that are set to WiFi. I don’t record them and I don’t use their cloud, so they’re not streaming through my network. Just live view occasionally to check on the sheds.

When/If I link them to the NVR and stream full time, within a day I see obvious network slowdown. Netgear R8000 only 1400 sq ft
Fortunately, I have never run into that. With my Blue Iris setup, I have had four cameras using two 5Ghz wireless Bridges, for around fifteen years. It never caused any slowdown issues. But, I also use the 5Ghz channel 165 for those wireless Bridges. Which is only 20Mhz wide. Most networks I see tend to stay away from that 5Ghz channel, since it's limited to only a 20Mhz width. But, that is more than enough bandwidth for the 4MP cameras I use on those wireless bridges.

So far, the twelve Ring cameras I have on 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi have not caused any issues. I am still able to average 1.6Gbps+ speeds from my Wi-Fi 7 devices. When transferring hundreds of Gigabytes of data at a time. (I run a 10Gbps backbone on my LAN at home)

Also, the dozens of 2.4Ghz IoT devices I have on my Wi-Fi network have also not run into any issues. And, the several dozen 5Ghz Wi-Fi streamers I use have had no issues streaming music concurrently (22 Amazon Echos and 10 Google Assistants), or the video streamers streaming UHD content.
 
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