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Sybertiger
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If she climbed through the window of her car towards the agent then a shooting would be justified. Stupid agent clearly should have been looking down at her wheel direction and plotted the course correction. What was he thinking? Methinks needs retraining.
Oceanslider
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I’ve refrained and will continue to after this but I think you touched on the point
Too many have decided (on both sides) to make this a political issue.
I see it as a shooting. The fact that senior govt officials were out with their political attacks and verdict within hours should tell you something.
The fact that they are claiming, as JD Vance said, “complete immunity” and that local PD is not allowed to be involved is, well, different.
The President weighed in on it and yet later said he hadn’t seen the videos.
Had the political affiliations been reversed it would likely be a different conversation. But on this one it’s political story first . It’s quite bizarre how hard the administration and right wing “influencers” are pushing the narrative. People I used to respect have gone far beyond analyzing the actual event and lead with the political narrative.
I personally continue to believe it was a bad shoot. That’s my opinion along with plenty of credentialed LE who are not on the “Left”.
Many now call me a liberal terrorist for that view.
I have no fucks left to give those people.
There is no longer any room for impartial analysis or differing opinion. Those on both sides have made up their mind.
Lethal force is not justified or permitted in most cases to stop a fleeing person. Training dictates he take a small step off the X and not shoot. I acknowledge I wasn’t there and can’t put myself in his mindset however.
So it comes down to did she intentionally try to hit him, video says no, she’s turning the wheel hard and fast away from him. Was his life really in danger?
Did she “hit” him. Or was there “contact”
The last video doesn’t show this it’s from the phone in his other hand and not focused on the car or him and you can’t actually see contact. His other hand has drawn and fired.
One new video clearly shows him leaning into the car to aim the first shot into the windshield. And yes there was some slight contact at that point.
His feet say to me he’s not in direct lethal danger.
Regardless, it will never be resolved, there are valid points from both perspectives. But it’s been made clear by the Federal authorities how it will be decided.
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That should give everyone pause regardless of which viewpoint you subscribe to. That to me is the bigger danger.
FWIW I asked 5 people I know well enough to ask their professional opinion.
3 State Troopers, (1 active 2 recently retired) 1 criminal attorney, 1 Firearm instructor with federal training experience.
3 of 5 said bad shoot
1 said good shoot
1 said too close to call without digging
Nobody is changing minds at this point. And it can’t be done in a single post here or anywhere else.
As Americans we have the right and indeed should ask questions in these type situations. Not very long ago we did.
Now we have the leader of our country routinely publicly calling 1/2 of the country, and anyone who disagrees with him, various slurs and/or terrorists at the drop of a hat like a teenage schoolyard bully. It’s pathetic and it stirs emotions. He’s well aware of that.
I don’t blame him for the incident, I blame him for the narrative.
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Typical brain-dead bumper-sticker analysis there. It all comes down to legal use lethal force. Therefore, I'm not too sure that these two cases are equivalent.
If there was a reason for the person who shot Babbitt to fear for his life, then OK. But she wasn't wielding a weapon, so that would be difficult to prove, as opposed to when someone is driving a car directly at you.
LOL!!!
Yet another stupid analysis. This idiot thinks that "he must have seen it"? Yeah, that's a legal theory they'll love in court.
Bottom line-- all that matters is that he perceived the threat.
Oceanslider
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Sybertiger
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Parley
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My take on the Ice shooting.
1. Renee Good and her wife went to Minneapolis to hinder the Ice operations in that city.
2. They were both members of an Anti Ice organization.
3. She used her car to hinder the Ice operations and block traffic. Her wife encouraged her to do it. Plenty of video out there shows it before she pulled over.
4. She was ordered by law enforcement to pull her car over and stop. She did momentarily.
5. During that time law enforcement started to go to her car.
6. Her wife was yelling and also telling her to get moving.
7. She did and hit the Ice officer. When she pulled away the shooting started. She was headed for the Ice officer.
She went there to f-ck around with armed LEO's and it cost her life. She and her wife put her in a dangerous situation. Unfortunately, she paid the ultimate price for numerous bad decisions that day.
1. Renee Good and her wife went to Minneapolis to hinder the Ice operations in that city.
2. They were both members of an Anti Ice organization.
3. She used her car to hinder the Ice operations and block traffic. Her wife encouraged her to do it. Plenty of video out there shows it before she pulled over.
4. She was ordered by law enforcement to pull her car over and stop. She did momentarily.
5. During that time law enforcement started to go to her car.
6. Her wife was yelling and also telling her to get moving.
7. She did and hit the Ice officer. When she pulled away the shooting started. She was headed for the Ice officer.
She went there to f-ck around with armed LEO's and it cost her life. She and her wife put her in a dangerous situation. Unfortunately, she paid the ultimate price for numerous bad decisions that day.
Sybertiger
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Argentina repays US financial lifeline as Milei emerges from market crisis
Buenos Aires hands back $2.5bn it drew under swap line ahead of pivotal election in October
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You realize that #1-6 dont matter as to the legality of the shoot right?
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I guess MAGA will trash her soon... can't have anyone running around telling the truth
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Oceanslider
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Oceanslider
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Argentina repaying financing it received from the U.S. during last year’s market turmoil, and it’s a meaningful milestone for the country under Javier Milei.Argentina repays US financial lifeline as Milei emerges from market crisis
Buenos Aires hands back $2.5bn it drew under swap line ahead of pivotal election in October
The credit line was meant as a temporary backstop to calm markets, and that’s exactly how it was used. Repaying it quickly sends a strong signal that fiscal discipline and credibility are starting to return to Argentina, something markets have been demanding for years.
This doesn’t mean all problems are solved. Reserves are still tight, and tough reforms are ongoing. But compared to the constant refinancing, defaults, and emergency bailouts of the past, this is a clear change in direction: stabilize first, repay obligations, and rebuild trust step by step.
For the first time in a long while, Argentina isn’t just asking for more time, it’s showing follow-through. That alone makes this development worth paying attention to.
