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Fools! Just more redistribution of wealth and pandering for votes and does not represent all of America.


Some may see increases in refunds due to the normal annual increase in the Std Deduction and the new $6000 deduction for seniors, thereby lowering their taxable income.
But lets be real, its not life changing money and many wont see a bit of difference.

The ridiculous part is this:

After getting the refund, US residents are expected to change their withholding status so that less tax is taken from each paycheck.
Workers will then see a “real increase” in their wages, Bessent said.


They're throwing pennies at the peasants and trying to make you believe there's some significant money being handed out and its just a fucking shell game for the naive.
 
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I worked at a Teamster represented Transport Company till injured on the job.
I would go to the monthly meetings and all the other things when called upon.
I was the only Conservative person to express my views that countered the Democrat
hatred they spewed. I would stand in front of all those brothers at said meetings and counter
their B.S. The best part was those that privately thanked me but were to timid and scared.
Now they LOVE TRUMP!

So to the other members here, if I offended any one in any way, I apologize.

I thought about the ending to "Red Foxx on the Loose" but, it would be inappropriate.
I just as a joke!!!! "Frankly I don't give a shi_"!
 
I worked at a Teamster represented Transport Company till injured on the job.
I would go to the monthly meetings and all the other things when called upon.
I was the only Conservative person to express my views that countered the Democrat
hatred they spewed. I would stand in front of all those brothers at said meetings and counter
their B.S. The best part was those that privately thanked me but were to timid and scared.
Now they LOVE TRUMP!

So to the other members here, if I offended any one in any way, I apologize.

I thought about the ending to "Red Foxx on the Loose" but, it would be inappropriate.
I just as a joke!!!! "Frankly I don't give a shi_"!
That is why I love this forum. You can offend anyone here...just don't do it in a belligerent, arrogant and demeaning manner, and no one really cares.

The POS attack dogs that come on here, well, they get what they deserve. IMO.

If someone is that offended, they can close their browser.
 
As I’ve said in previous posts, those who think cancelling ACA subsidies will lower health insurance costs, or that it’s only those 22 million people who will get fucked, think again.

Employer shared health insurance is going up 12-18% per the insurers themselves. Across the board. Thats another 165 Million people. Handing everyone $1500 as proposed by Trump, while doing away with subsidies of $6000-$12,000 isn’t going to go over well

 
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Senate votes on ACA fail, threatening a rise in healthcare costs for everyone​



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  • Senate failure to pass stopgap plans for expiring Obamacare subsidies potentially leaves millions uninsured in 2026.
  • ACA marketplace plan premiums are projected to increase by 114% on average in 2026 due to expiring tax credits and insurer rate hikes.
  • The Urban Institute predicts 4.8 million people with 2025 ACA plans will be uninsured in 2026, reversing a decline in uninsured rates.
A pair of stopgap plans crafted to address expiring Obamacare subsidies failed in the Senate on Thursday, increasing the likelihood that millions of people in the U.S. will either go without health insurance next year or downgrade their coverage — leading to higher healthcare costs for most Americans.

The premiums for Affordable Care Act marketplace plans are going up by 114% on average in 2026 for two reasons: The enhanced tax credits that made those plans far more affordable expire Jan. 1, and health insurers pre-emptively raised rates with the expectation that millions of healthier, younger adults will opt out of coverage altogether as a result of the far more expensive monthly premiums.

“It quite plainly means less coverage,” said Jonathan Oberlander, professor of health policy and management at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. “It’s not the holiday gift that most Americans are looking for, but you’re talking about — in the midst of an economy that’s experiencing substantial affordability challenges — on average doubling people’s premium payments in the marketplace.”

Premiums are not the only cost that is increasing. Deductibles are also going up, with some individuals taking on ones of $11,000 or even higher. The Urban Institute predicts that 4.8 million people who had an ACA marketplace plan in 2025 will be uninsured in 2026, the logic being if you’re relatively healthy, why pay for a plan that costs many hundreds of dollars per month and has a $10,000 deductible?

But for the system as a whole, accounting for more uninsured people will have a ripple effect. If some 4.8 million people are forced to go without health insurance, it would end the steady decline in the rate of uninsured people since 2011, when the ACA went into effect. It also means that healthcare costs will likely go up across the board, even for people who get their health insurance through an employer.

Health insurance costs are already rising — including for people with employer plans and for Medicare beneficiaries — driven by higher spending on prescription drugs like GLP-1s, providers charging higher prices for medical care and less competition among hospitals.

“Even though the impacts of the premium increases are confined to this one population of ACA enrollees, the effects on the health system will impact everybody at some point,” said Emma Wager, senior policy analyst for KFF’s Program on the ACA.

When people are uninsured, they often skip basic medical care like getting checkups and filling prescriptions, but they’re more likely to end up in an emergency room or hospital, which won’t be paid to care for them. Those providers will eventually raise their rates, affecting everyone who interacts with that health system.

Hospitals are already preparing for an influx of uninsured patients. New York City Health + Hospitals, a regional network of hospitals and nursing homes, may “revisit its cost-cutting plans” as it prepares for a “growing uninsured population.” It expects 150,000 people will lose coverage in its Essential Plan next year.

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The majority of people in the U.S. have had health insurance coverage in recent years, largely driven by the 2021 tax credits, which led to record participation in the marketplace. About 24.3 million people had an Obamacare plan in 2025, up from 11.4 million in 2020, according to KFF — and about 22 million benefited from the subsidies. But the Affordable Care Act, President Barack Obama’s signature legislation, has long been a target for Republicans, who argue the system it created was overly reliant on increasing federal subsidies and that it sparked an explosion in healthcare costs. The question of whether to renew federal subsidies was a sticking point in the government shutdown earlier this year.
 
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Fools! Just more redistribution of wealth and pandering for votes and does not represent all of America.

Very sadistic - first take more money out of us upfront, then become apologetic and give us a tiny refund (pension) which takes 8-12 weeks to process. They can't fool us
 
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Employer shared health insurance is going up 12-18% per the insurers themselves.
These increases are nothing new this year. Our kids' employer rates have gone up similarly every year the past few years. My issue-age medigap rate has gone up 140% since 2019, or with simple math, 23% each year over 6 years. Neither has anything to do with ACA subsidies, and everything to do with ACA having f'd the whole healthcare system. Before ACA the system DID need some fixing, but the dems, not wanting to let a good crisis go to waste, took the opportunity to totally screw it up, as dems like to do. The ACA subsidies are just lipstick trying to hide the ugly pig. Subsidies or not, there's no happy ending to this. It's just a matter of who gets screwed, when, and for how much.
 
*Note- my Treasury Dept says it went up more than that for '26, looking for the Premium notice now...BRB

Wow. Possibly a different type of plan but I have a UHC/AARP Plan G which is the most popular by far (65-70% of people choose plan G)

Mine has only been two years and has gone up 10% in that time (accounting for 2026 increase which is year 3)

But average is about 5% per year
 
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As I’ve said in previous posts, those who think cancelling ACA subsidies will lower health insurance costs, or that it’s only those 22 million people who will get fucked, think again.

Employer shared health insurance is going up 12-18% per the insurers themselves. Across the board. Thats another 165 Million people. Handing everyone $1500 as proposed by Trump, while doing away with subsidies of $6000-$12,000 isn’t going to go over well



I don't think that cancelling increased subsidies enacted during the Bidum bAdministration will lower costs, but why should we increase the funnel of taxpayer money to the insurance companies that ObumblesKare is (and always was)? It has to stop.

ObumblesKare was doomed to failure from the start (by design, according to some). You can't increase the demand for a product, including forced coverage of so many things, without increase the supply without forcing price increases. This is Econ-101 level stuff. What we really need is to go back to a system where people pay for their medical and have insurance for catastrophic events. Covering everything under the sun is not "insurance;" it's having someone else paying for your shit.
 
I don't think that cancelling increased subsidies enacted during the Bidum bAdministration will lower costs, but why should we increase the funnel of taxpayer money to the insurance companies that ObumblesKare is (and always was)? It has to stop.

ObumblesKare was doomed to failure from the start (by design, according to some). You can't increase the demand for a product, including forced coverage of so many things, without increase the supply without forcing price increases. This is Econ-101 level stuff. What we really need is to go back to a system where people pay for their medical and have insurance for catastrophic events. Covering everything under the sun is not "insurance;" it's having someone else paying for your shit.

ObumblesKare was doomed to failure from the start (by design, according to some). You can't increase the demand for a product, including forced coverage of so many things, without increase the supply without forcing price increases. This is Econ-101 level stuff.

100% ...

also, need some sort of competitive balance to keep prices in check .. otherwise we get something along the lines of higher educations price increases due to guaranteed student loans
 
I don't think that cancelling increased subsidies enacted during the Bidum bAdministration will lower costs, but why should we increase the funnel of taxpayer money to the insurance companies that ObumblesKare is (and always was)? It has to stop.

ObumblesKare was doomed to failure from the start (by design, according to some). You can't increase the demand for a product, including forced coverage of so many things, without increase the supply without forcing price increases. This is Econ-101 level stuff. What we really need is to go back to a system where people pay for their medical and have insurance for catastrophic events. Covering everything under the sun is not "insurance;" it's having someone else paying for your shit.

That works right up until you have a $200,000+ open heart surgery, Cancer, or one of many diseases.

Cutting out the subsidies isnt going to reduce the $ going to insurance companies.
Currently by LAW they have to spend 80% min. on actual claims/care.
You are going to pay those same insurance companies out of your pocket

Trump wants to give you $1500 for the year for an HCA to spend on Insurance.

Premium without any subsidies - $8000-$18,000 avg next year.

So you're out of pocket $6500- $16,500 BEFORE deductibles (which are becoming huge under most plans)
 
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But average is about 5% per year
I'm questioning those csgactuarial numbers. Maybe I'm reading them wrong? I can't make a true apple-to-apples comparison because the latest csgactuarial numbers are for 2024, and the medicare.gov numbers are either for 2025 or 2026 (I don't see which on the web site). But the discrepancy with the csgactuarial numbers is so big that it's obvious that something is fishy in the big picture.

csgactuarial says the 2024 rate for the lowest 5 G plan carriers is $1,450.92. They don't say is that's annual or monthly, I'll assume annual. They also don't say what age the rates are based on, which is very important. They also don't give the location for the plans which is probably also important.

Here's what medicare.gov says for the very lowest G plan in my zip code:
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That's a minimum of $2,160 per year, for the very lowest premium available. 49% higher than the csgactuarial number.

At age 75, medicare.gov says the lowest G plan cost is:
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$2,928 per year, 102% higher than the csgactuarial number.

Conclusion: If both the medicare.gov and csgactuarial numbers are correct, the rates have gone up a minimum of 49% over 2 years, probably more because I gave the best case treatment too all the unspecified variables of the csgactuarial numbers.

For the record my issue age F plan annual rate in 2025 is $2,930.
 
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*Note- my Treasury Dept says it went up more than that for '26, looking for the Premium notice now...BRB

Wow. Possibly a different type of plan but I have a UHC/AARP Plan G which is the most popular by far (65-70% of people choose plan G)

Mine has only been two years and has gone up 10% in that time (accounting for 2026 increase which is year 3)

But average is about 5% per year

So looking at the 3 main things that we dont have any real control of:

Wont know my UHC Medigap until about June of '26 as it renews mid year
24- $223
25- $248
(Both have about a $20+ surcharge because I smoke)
11.2% increase
$25 increase

Medicare Part B premium
24- $187
26- $202
8% increase
$15 increase

So all-in health Insurance costs me $450 p/mo


SS check
26 vs 25 = increase of net $84

So on Medicare/SS I come out about $69 to the good, and if I include my Medigap, still $44 to the positive
 
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I'm questioning those csgactuarial numbers. Maybe I'm reading them wrong? I can't make a true apple-to-apples comparison because the latest csgactuarial numbers are for 2024, and the medicare.gov numbers are either for 2025 or 2026 (I don't see which on the web site). But the discrepancy with the csgactuarial numbers is so big that it's obvious that something is fishy in the big picture.

csgactuarial says the 2024 rate for the lowest 5 G plan carriers is $1,450.92. They don't say is that's annual or monthly, I'll assume annual. They also don't say what age the rates are based on, which is very important. They also don't give the location for the plans which is probably also important.

Here's what medicare.gov says for the very lowest G plan in my zip code:
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That's a minimum of $2,160 per year, for the very lowest premium available. 49% higher than the csgactuarial number.

At age 75, medicare.gov says the lowest G plan cost is:
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$2,928 per year, 102% higher than the csgactuarial number.

Conclusion: If both the medicare.gov and csgactuarial numbers are correct, the rates have gone up a minimum of 49% over 2 years, probably more because I gave the best case treatment too all the unspecified variables of the csgactuarial numbers.

For the record my issue age F plan annual rate in 2025 is $2,930.

yeah thats what made me look. I dont know where those numbers are from and they are notoriously hard to get unless your'e in the business