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[mat200]

Plenty of Germans hate Ukraine and its not like Ukraine hasn't targeted parked aircraft like Russian versions of the same aircraft with drones. In fact Zelensky keeps bragging about this.

Ukraine is known to use airfields from Nato countries and Russia warned about this.

Germans iir also hated Poles, Czechs, French, .. basically all their neighbors except Austria

And the Baader–Meinhof Gang proved you just needed a few willing to create havoc .. gonna get a lot worse with these mini-drones and explosives for the future
non-state actors.

Just a question of time before this tech expands to more non-state terrorist groups

 

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@wrapter you inquired about evidence of Russia purposefully targeting or hunting civilians

Here you go :

As said in the other thread if you are a male and that close to the frontlines, you are likely to be targeted vs a male with a family or even walking a dog.
It's also not uncommon for Ukraine combatants to use civilian vehicles and change clothes to flee.

But Ukraine is known to target civilians in large gathering, they are ok with terrorist style drone attacks specifically targeting civilians. Or even recruiting civilians to drop of a package with a remote detonated explosive device, unkown to the civilian to kill innocent people in hotels as long as its targeting some important military commander or journalist.

Just recent examples of Ukraine targeting civilians.

 

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Germans iir also hated Poles, Czechs, French, .. basically all their neighbors except Austria

And the Baader–Meinhof Gang proved you just needed a few willing to create havoc .. gonna get a lot worse with these mini-drones and explosives for the future
non-state actors.

Just a question of time before this tech expands to more non-state terrorist groups

Historical hate yes but some just hate Ukraine because of its active Neo Nazi celebration under Zelensky regime. The average joe there hates Ukraine because of the economic reasons too and flooding of Ukrainians to their countries.

Unless you have hardened shelters, drones can wipe out your strategic bombers and lift aircraft in a day and apart from China neither the USA nor Russia is building them currently and those losses cannot be replaced. Yes we are building the B21 but the miltary planners better build hardened shelters at their home bases.

 

[mat200]

As said in the other thread if you are a male and that close to frontlines, you are likely to targeted vs a male with a family or even walking a dog.
It's also not uncommon for Ukraine combatants to use civilian vehicles and change clothes to flee.

But Ukraine is known to target civilians in large gathering, they are ok with terrorist style drone attacks specifically targeting civilians. Or even recruiting civilians to drop of a package with a remote detonated explosive device, unkown to the civilian to kill innocent people in hotels as long as its targeting some important military commander or journalist.

Just recent examples of Ukraine targeting civilians.

The beach hit, that appears to be a successful Russian interception of a drone .. look for the video on it.

unlike the recent ballistic missile attack on Kiev by Russia

AND NOTE, Russia, Putin can STOP this anytime they want to ..

 

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The person survived and quick look at telegram where Russians where outraged by the video of the civilian attack.

The response from a Russian affiliated telegram channel.
Grok English translation and analysis.
"Friends, so I don’t have to get up several times. The khokhols [derogatory term for Ukrainians] are spreading a video about a strike on dual-purpose equipment. This vehicle was repeatedly noticed delivering dual-purpose cargo, and the drivers are in active contact with AFU [Ukrainian Armed Forces] militants. Such traders carry out the logistics of dual-purpose cargo with all the ensuing consequences. This time he was very lucky. Learn from others’ mistakes and do not assist the AFU militants. We continue. The pig is alive." The post is justifying/commenting on the Russian drone strike on the fruit seller’s vehicle in Kherson, claiming it was used for military logistics, while noting the man survived.

 

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The beach hit, that appears to be a successful Russian interception of a drone .. look for the video on it.

unlike the recent ballistic missile attack on Kiev by Russia

AND NOTE, Russia, Putin can STOP this anytime they want to ..

It could well be a interception but Ukraine and EU and our media classify such deaths as due to Russians when Ukraine air defenses shot down drones resulting in them crashing into civilian places. See the Hypocrisy.

Putin can stop, Zelensky can stop. Trump can stop, Netanyahu can stop, Iran can stop. But they don't.

 

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Ukraine Ambassador to Britain who was the general during Ukraine counter offensive in 2023.
He says that Russia has found a way to counter every Nato weapon system including the Himars. He says only a tomahawk, a Nuke and F35 is yet to be thrown into the battlefield. We all saw what happened in Iran with the F35, now its just launching standoff weapons.

Ukraine already has a EU equivalent of Tomahawk, the British/French Storm shadow missiles which are even more stealthy. Which seems to hit their target when they are not shot down. While the Himars/ATCAMS and air launched GBU are just jammed to miss their targets.

The thing about war against a peer advisory is that they can quickly able to figure out the weakness of a system and develop a counter.

Even intact dispensed (only the solid propellant is used up) Patriot interceptors are available in Ukraine for the highest bidders.

 

[mat200]

It could well be a interception but Ukraine and EU and our media classify such deaths as due to Russians when Ukraine air defenses shot down drones resulting in them crashing into civilian places. See the Hypocrisy.

Putin can stop, Zelensky can stop. Trump can stop, Netanyahu can stop, Iran can stop. But they don't.

Zelensky can not stop without Putin being willing to stop, Zelensky has already offered to come to the table multiple times.
If Zelensky stops unilaterally, Russia will just reload and attack again as was proven after 2014 invasion by "greenmen"

Once a war is started, need both sides willing to stop or one side willing to surrender.

Trump willing to stop in Iran if Iran opens up the straight to pre-war status, yet Iran not willing to play that game with Trump.

This is what war is ..

The stork started the war, and the frog can let go .. yet it knows if it does ..

 

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It may look bad for the frog, but in this scenario, doesn't the frog have the upper hand? Won't the stork pass out/die soon?

 

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Europeans are keeping themselves busy.
Russia will now do a tit for tat seizing of European merchant ships. Putin boring version or read the highly diplomatic version from Medvedev

 

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This shows that Russians are advancing and Ukraine is loosing by a lot. But kill ratio will not be as high as 30:1 like this chart because Ukraine cannot take bodies of Russians, if Russia is advancing.

But still Russia always had the advantage in kill ratio because they have a airforce bombing the buildings and bunkers and they also have FPV drones with higher range and numbers advantage across the full miltary hardware spectrum.

 

[mat200]

Europeans are keeping themselves busy.
Russia will now do a tit for tat seizing of European merchant ships. Putin boring version or read the highly diplomatic version from Medvedev

Going to be hard for Russia to do this successfully,

Europe controls the Danish straight, and Norway has a long coast for Russia to traverse with hijacked ships.

Russia would have to divert the ships into the Pacific and route them up to the Artic

Best Russia can do is use former Prussia territory for taking Baltic shipping.

 

[mat200]

This shows that Russians are advancing and Ukraine is loosing by a lot. But kill ratio will not be as high as 30:1 like this chart because Ukraine cannot take bodies of Russians, if Russia is advancing.

But still Russia always had the advantage in kill ratio because they have a airforce bombing the buildings and bunkers and they also have FPV drones with higher range and numbers advantage across the full miltary hardware spectrum.

How many of those died after being taken alive by the respective forces ?

Russia also does not want to find their own dead, as that means payments to the families

 

[wrapter]

Going to be hard for Russia to do this successfully,

Europe controls the Danish straight, and Norway has a long coast for Russia to traverse with hijacked ships.

Russia would have to divert the ships into the Pacific and route them up to the Artic

Best Russia can do is use former Prussia territory for taking Baltic shipping.

I do not know where they can do it probably in the Mediterranean or somewhere near Kaliningrad and Russia or may be even in black sea. Artic is only open in the summers, I am sure this year it may be open for a bit longer going by the heat wave.

But they have their naval assests all over the english channel to deter Nato countries from seizing their commercial ships.

 

[mat200]

I do not know where they can do it probably in the Mediterranean or somewhere near Kaliningrad and Russia or may be even in black sea. Artic is only open in the summers, I am sure this year it may be open for a bit longer going by the heat wave.

But they have their naval assests all over the english channel to deter Nato countries from seizing their commercial ships.

iirc Russia lost it's base in Syria, so not certain where they would take the ships in the Mediterranean

Kaliningard would work for the Baltic ..

 

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How many of those died after being taken alive by the respective forces ?

Russia also does not want to find their own dead, as that means payments to the families

This data only shows the exchange of dead. Nor does it show the ones captured alive. Pretty sure they cannot hide the deaths from their families they do have phones. But if a soldier is reported missing their family will not get full benefits as per grok and they have to legally fight for it. To keep morale high and Putin popularity they may have reason to hide. But they will not dare to keep deaths secret at least from families who want compensation.

 

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iirc Russia lost it's base in Syria, so not certain where they would take the ships in the Mediterranean

Kaliningard would work for the Baltic ..

That Syrian bases both naval and air base is still under Russian control. The current head chopping Syrian president was seen meeting Putin not once but twice. I think he is keeping his options open and has ties with Turkey, Russia, Israel and US. Since both Turkey and Israel wants to get the Syrian oil fields.