Ubiquiti released U6 Pro Bullet - with 1/1.2" 4K sensor

Apr 11, 2020
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Looking at demo video, performance is worse than on old Color4K (Full Color 5849) - which have identical spec for sensor ...

Ubiquity should have access to latest & greatest Sony Starvis 2 sensor with support for IR (Color4K is using old Starvis 1 sensor, which don't see IR)...

so the bad performance is mostly due bad / old video processing - Ubiquiti is here years behind HIK & Dahua...

Especially when we compare to latest & greatest WizColor cams..
 
Looking at demo video, performance is worse than on old Color4K (Full Color 5849) - which have identical spec for sensor ...

Ubiquity should have access to latest & greatest Sony Starvis 2 sensor with support for IR (Color4K is using old Starvis 1 sensor, which don't see IR)...

so the bad performance is mostly due bad / old video processing - Ubiquiti is here years behind HIK & Dahua...

Especially when we compare to latest & greatest WizColor cams..
I'd rather spend the nearly $500 on a 3449H and a Z4E.
 
Was waiting for Dahua 5x59 pro series, but I don’t see any comparable spec(1/1.2 with optical zoom, long range IR) from any other brands coming soon , just bought two to try it out.
 
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Looking at demo video, performance is worse than on old Color4K (Full Color 5849) - which have identical spec for sensor ...

Ubiquity should have access to latest & greatest Sony Starvis 2 sensor with support for IR (Color4K is using old Starvis 1 sensor, which don't see IR)...

so the bad performance is mostly due bad / old video processing - Ubiquiti is here years behind HIK & Dahua...

Especially when we compare to latest & greatest WizColor cams..

I think sensor/lenses are always the most deterministic factors in image quality (raw data). Post processing is more about preference/tradeoff. Dahua camera also needs careful tuning, eg aperture/shutter, noise reduction etc. based on specific location/lighting condition etc.to get the best result.
 
Looking at demo video, performance is worse than on old Color4K (Full Color 5849) - which have identical spec for sensor ...

Ubiquity should have access to latest & greatest Sony Starvis 2 sensor with support for IR (Color4K is using old Starvis 1 sensor, which don't see IR)...

so the bad performance is mostly due bad / old video processing - Ubiquiti is here years behind HIK & Dahua...

Especially when we compare to latest & greatest WizColor cams..
They all can see IR, problem is that Dahua and Hikvision use fixed F1.0 lens, which will let much more light in but also give a very narrow depth of field. Since IR light have different reflection rate with visible light, it will also have a different focus point. With a small aperture like F1.6 of the unifi camera, it’s not a problem, the IR light focus point is still within the lens’s depth of field. But with a F1.0 lens, IR light will be defocused.

Personally I prefer fixed color mode with a bigger aperture lens, extreme low light performance is what a bigger sensor size is used for. If you plan to turn on IR lLED and get B/W image, there’s no point of using a 1/1.2” sensor in the beginning
 
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They all can see IR, problem is that Dahua and Hikvision use fixed F1.0 lens, which will let much more light in but also give a very narrow depth of field. Since IR light have different reflection rate with visible light, it will also have a different focus point. With a small aperture like F1.6 of the unifi camera, it’s not a problem, the IR light focus point is still within the lens’s depth of field. But with a F1.0 lens, IR light will be defocused.

That’s why you can’t see any camera with F1.0 aperture lens and IR LED at the same time.

Personally I prefer fixed color mode with a bigger aperture lens, extreme low light performance is what a bigger sensor size is used for. If you plan to turn on IR lLED and get B/W image, there’s no point of using a 1/1.2” sensor in the beginning

The Dahua cams do not have a moveable IR filter, thus why we say these cameras do not see IR.
 
The Dahua cams do not have a moveable IR filter, thus why we say these cameras do not see IR.
Steve originally said that Starvis 1 sensors can’t see IR, that’s what I want to clarify.

All the sensors can see IR light, camera manufacturers choose whether to use them in dual mode or color mode only by blocking IR light with a fixed filter. Lens’s depth of field is the primary factor of which mode they choose to use
 
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Steve originally said that Starvis 1 sensors can’t see IR, that’s what I want to clarify.

All the sensors can see IR light, camera manufacturers choose whether to use them in dual mode or color mode only by blocking IR light with a fixed filter. Lens’s depth of field is the primary factor of which mode they choose to use

8MPx 1/1.2" Starvis 1 sensor is NOT 'NIR enhanced' (term from Sony materials).
So in comparison to all normal sensors for CCTV cameras it have very weak IR performance.

I simplified this to 'can't see IR'. All camera manufacturers used this sensors only in 'white light only' cams..
 
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8MPx 1/1.2" Starvis 1 sensor is NOT 'NIR enhanced' (term from Sony materials).
So in comparison to all normal sensors for CCTV cameras it have very weak IR performance.

I simplified this to 'can't see IR'. All camera manufacturers used this sensors only in 'white only' cams..
Not NIR Enhanced != Can't see IR. In fact, in the old days before Starvis2, almost all CCTV cameras are built with IR LED, although they are not NIR enhanced, they still have 30%+ QE on 850nm band, while OmniVision already has 50% 850nm QE

Color-only cameras are made recently when sensors starts to have higher QE on both visible band and NIR band, Starvis2 still only has 50% QE on 850nm. The funny part is that, although the new sensors are NIR enhanced, camera manufactures on the contrary use them as color only, while use the cheaper ones with IR LED. Why? Because once there's enough illumination, you don't need a sensor with the best QE
 
Color-only cameras are made recently when sensors starts to have higher QE on both visible band and NIR band, Starvis2 still only has 50% QE on 850nm. The funny part is that, although the new sensors are NIR enhanced, camera manufactures on the contrary use them as color only, while use the cheaper ones with IR LED. Why? Because once there's enough illumination, you don't need a sensor with the best QE

Color only (no IR) cams were a thing in 2020-2022.. a stupid idea/decision that was quickly abandoned...

All new cam models released in last 2 years, both by Dahua & HIK are hybrids (IR + white) or IR only but with possibility to run color mode at night (if external lighting is ok)..

no one is releasing new color only models any more.. if you see anywhere color only models (like Color4K Full Color on Andy Shop), they are very old models..

EDITED: OK, now I remember there is one new only color model by Dahua (2449-PRO).. but this is more marketing decision to differentiate cheap 2449-PRO with 1/1.8" sensor & AI-ISP from TIOC-PRO 3449 with the same sensor/AI-ISP and full hybrid LEDs..
 
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Although the camera doesn't appear to challenge the 4kt directly, I think what this illustrates is there's really a need maybe for Dahua to produce a large sensor low light camera, maybe a 4kt replacement but without the drawbacks of the previous camera. That probably means more memory, faster processing, better lenses and using a narrower aperture and maybe auto iris to boot. I still think there would be a lot to be said to scrap trying to improve the 4kt, and simply leap frog everyone with a re-release of the 2016 camera that used a 35mm sensor, if they can get the price down this time to reasonable and maybe design a built in case instead of it needing the purchase of an additional housing. I think many people would pay $400 if it came with a decent 35mm lens. Surely it can't be that hard to acquire a good supply of cheap 35mm lenses. At one time they used to be 10 a penny in camera kits and bearing in mind a CCTV camera doesn't need a lens based autofocus or zoom, surely it can't be that hard to find someone to manufacture reasonable quality fixed 35mm wide angles for not too much money.

Also, I didn't have time to watch it but did I see something about bit rate zones? In other words are they trying to use the graphic cards trick of rendering areas outside the main focal point at lower quality? This is what it seems Dahua may have done on the 4kt (I don't know if they did or didn't but compression artefacts are definately higher on my drive camera away from the centre), and if they are attempting this, it's likely to be a big failure. The problem with CCTV is you can't guarantee the action is in the centre of the picture. I live next to a footpath. It falls in probably the side 25% of the picture. A lot of what I need footage of is this area. The camera is there to protect my car and drive which is the main centre focus, but I cannot rule out someone throwing an object from the footpath against my car, house door or windows. Equally, someone could spray paint the wall in the edge of the picture. You could say the same in any scenario. A camera watching the centre of a room, may miss someone in high quality if they break in through a window to the side and never cross the centre. So you just can't presume the actions going to be in the centre. Personally, I'd rather they produced the best quality picture throughout incl. front to back and simply give users the choice of overall bit rate. That way those with low storage availability can simply opt for lower quality. Those with high storage availability can opt for almost a movie quality of picture. That would require some changes to current compression though as on my cameras, I see very little gain beyond 12mbs yet the periphery and rear of the picture seem to have horrific compression artefacts suggesting either centre concentrated bit rates or very high compression meaning that the data possibly doesn't even use the full bit rate bandwith. Given the way hard drives have fallen in price, you can get almost quadruple the storage now for the same price as a couple of years ago, I wouldn't mind seeing available rates from 1,000-30,000 or even 50,000, although the latter is pointless if the compression renders the picture low quality anyway. It needs a low compression high bit rate option with no bit rate zoning.
 
Yeah they have finally invented the “Super Confocal F1.0 Lens” to allow them to use even cheaper smaller sensors with IR illumination. Now ColorVu only features a 1/1.8” 8MP sensor, 2.0um pixel size, which is strongly against the forum’s camera selection policy. It’s just a cost-down downgrade, not upgrade.

The downgrade has nothing to do with NIR. Once there’s enough illumination, it really doesn’t matter what junk sensor you use, either 1/1.2” IMX585 or 1/2.8” IMX415 produce the same good image

Luckily in my region, Hikvision still chose to stick to the 1/1.2” big sensor OS08B10 with white light only in their newest ColorVu series. By the way, it has 60%+ QE on 850nm band, even better than Sony’s IMX585
 
. Once there’s enough illumination, it really doesn’t matter what junk sensor you use, either 1/1.2” IMX585 or 1/2.8” IMX415 produce the same good image

This.
Which ties into our current discussion on the new 5x59PRO
 
I will put this here for feedback and see what you guys think.

My Dahua SD5A425XA PTZ is starting to pale compared to my other cameras. So, I am looking for an upgrade. I do not want a huge PTZ in the front of my house. I was looking at the Dahua PTZ's and nothing really jumped out at me. However, I ran across this Hikvision 8MP PTZ with a 1/1.8" sensor and what jumped out at me was the 0.0005 Lux rating. That is very good for an 8MP on a 1/1.8" sensor. Normally I would just move right along. It is the same as the 4MP version in the same camera. I checked a few sources to see if that is true and they all had the same numbers. I would be interested in your input. Here is a link to the Hikvision PTZ.

DS-2DE7A812MCG-EB

Hikvision 7-inch 8 MP 12X ColorVu Network Speed Dome DS-2DE7A812MCG-EB
www.hikvision.com
www.hikvision.com
 
I will put this here for feedback and see what you guys think.

My Dahua SD5A425XA PTZ is starting to pale compared to my other cameras. So, I am looking for an upgrade. I do not want a huge PTZ in the front of my house. I was looking at the Dahua PTZ's and nothing really jumped out at me. However, I ran across this Hikvision 8MP PTZ with a 1/1.8" sensor and what jumped out at me was the 0.0005 Lux rating. That is very good for an 8MP on a 1/1.8" sensor. Normally I would just move right along. It is the same as the 4MP version in the same camera. I checked a few sources to see if that is true and they all had the same numbers. I would be interested in your input. Here is a link to the Hikvision PTZ.

DS-2DE7A812MCG-EB

Hikvision 7-inch 8 MP 12X ColorVu Network Speed Dome DS-2DE7A812MCG-EB
www.hikvision.com
www.hikvision.com
Just ignore the min Illumination specs, you can't validate it so they can put whatever number there. Besides, they don't say what shutter speed was used, a 1.4um sensor can give you the same bright image as a 2.9um big sensor if shutter speed is set to 1s. Always look at sensor and lens specs, these are what they can't fake and what really matters