T54PRO-ZE vs IPC-Color4M-TZ

So watch this closely

Older 5442TM-AS 3.6mm S2 turret

3500-4000 lumen Motion Floodlight about 15ft in front of it but not shining directly back at the camera

Coon trips the Motion flood, and the 5442 takes afew seconds to decide its enough light to go to color (Auto setting Day/Night)
Then after it has already switched, the small 400 lumen battery flood over the door kicks in to add to the scene, but really had no effect on getting the camera to switch initially.


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New fixed 3.6mm 5442TM ASE S3 turret

Battery operated 400 lumen light comes on over door, AND 75 watt light in porch light (motion activated)
Both directly in front of the 5442 but still wont switch to color.
 
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bigredfish said:
So watch this closely

Older 5442TN-As 3.6mm S2 turret

3500-4000 lumen Motion Floodlight about 15ft in front of it but not shining direct;ly back at the camera

Coon trips the Motion flood, and the 5442 takes afew seconds to decide its enough light to go to color (Auto setting Day/Night)
The after it has already switched, the small 400 lumen battery flood over the door kicks in to add to the scene, but really had no effect on getting the camera to switch initially.


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LATER TONIGHT
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New fixed 3.6mm 5442TM ASE S3 turret

Battery operated 400 lumen light comes on over door, AND 75 watt light in porch light (motion activated)
Both directly in front of the 5442 but still wont switch to color.
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bigredfish said:
So watch this closely

Older 5442TN-As 3.6mm S2 turret

3500-4000 lumen Motion Floodlight about 15ft in front of it but not shining direct;ly back at the camera

Coon trips the Motion flood, and the 5442 takes afew seconds to decide its enough light to go to color (Auto setting Day/Night)
The after it has already switched, the small 400 lumen battery flood over the door kicks in to add to the scene, but really had no effect on getting the camera to switch initially.


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LATER TONIGHT
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New fixed 3.6mm 5442TM ASE S3 turret

Battery operated 400 lumen light comes on over door, AND 75 watt light in porch light (motion activated)
Both directly in front of the 5442 but still wont switch to color.
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At least your racoon has a tail.Cam13.20260106_141545700Z.1.jpg
 
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Pay no attention to the quality of the color image.
The battery lanterns mess with the frequency and I made no image adjustments that I normally would have if this was going to be a standard scene..

This is simply to demonstrate that the 5442 S3 turrets need a fair amount of light to switch to color.

The lanterns are 1000 lumens each. The porch light which we leave on at night (motion activated) does a good job of adding just enough light to make for great quality B&W video.

I tried this 3-4 times and got the same result regardless of placement of the lanterns.
It took both being on along with the porch light to kick them into color

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bigredfish said:
They should indeed have just integrated the white LEDs and activation by IVS on the 5442 and sold a gazzilion of them.

But AI is cool and the new SOC makes everything “brighter” which most unknowing consumers will eat up.

It can be tough to make a 5442 switch to color with added motion lights, but it can be done.

Placement has a lot to do with it. Allowing the light to hit the 5442 onboard light sensor to make it switch.

Curiously, the older S2 seems to be more sensitive to doing this than the S3.

Give me a bit and I’ll post a couple of videos showing what I mean.
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Big question here is 'all problems with WizColor' is simply from different/bad video processing or there is worse image sensor or open aperture create problems with softness of image (last one can be very true for IR).

If there is worse image/optics, then worth checking should be 5459-IL, which looking at spec sheet looks like is using the same sensor as in 5442-S3 (different to 5459-PRO)...
 
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Big question here is 'all problems with WizColor' is simply from different/bad video processing or there is worse image sensor or open aperture create problems with softness of image (last one can be very true for IR).

If there is worse image/optics, then worth checking should be 5459-IL, which looking at spec sheet looks like is using the same sensor as in 5442-S3 (different to 5459-PRO)...
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Agree sir.
 
steve1225 said:
Big question here is 'all problems with WizColor' is simply from different/bad video processing or there is worse image sensor or open aperture create problems with softness of image (last one can be very true for IR).

If there is worse image/optics, then worth checking should be 5459-IL, which looking at spec sheet looks like is using the same sensor as in 5442-S3 (different to 5459-PRO)...
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Huh, thanks, I've looked into the specs and 5459-IL really looks like an "improved" variant of 5442-S3. It would be interesting if someone could get an test it :)
 
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Huh, thanks, I've looked into the specs and 5459-IL really looks like an "improved" variant of 5442-S3. It would be interesting if someone could get an test it :)
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Depends on what criteria you are using for “improved”

I’ve been told it’s the same cmos as the 54PRO and 3449 Pro with the same noise
 
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bigredfish said:
it’s your money

Have you read through the threads about the 54PRO and 3449 PRO vs the 5432 S3?

If image quality takes a backseat to other features, all 3 should be fine. In that case I would go with the 3449 TIOC PRO

Just my opinion
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My money is mainly on S3 at the moment :) Everything else is just a curiosity, tbh.
What I really want is S3 with better object detection. It's not bad as it is, but I'm getting some annoying false positives.
 
Molbo said:
My money is mainly on S3 at the moment :) Everything else is just a curiosity, tbh.
What I really want is S3 with better object detection. It's not bad as it is, but I'm getting some annoying false positives.
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Object detection such as? Humans/Vehicles or animals/ At what distance? At night? Using IVS or SMD or? Show a pic of the scene.

I and others had many more false positives with these latest crop of AI powered cams than with the S3 especially with large scale models enabled.

I will say the 2MP triple sight cam has very good target detection at distance to 300ft for me, better than most including the 5442, at long distance..
That said it also gives me more false alerts than any other camera I own

Many times I find false alerts to be a configuration issue, a setting issue, or unrealistic expectations.
If you want really awesome detection of humans and cars, the 5442 does a great job within its realistic operating range.
Detecting all of the various types of animals without false alerts, especially at night, with 99% accuracy, unless its a plain flat giant parking lot with zero obstructions and good lighting, is not realistic.
 
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Object detection such as? Humans/Vehicles or animals/ At what distance? At night? Using IVS or SMD or? Show a pic of the scene.
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A good example of the false positive scene is sunny and windy day in the forest. Tons of moving shadows, costantly chaging their shapes, sooner or later triggering camera IVS algorithms.
And it doesn't matter what I'm looking for, even if it's just a vehicle detection :(
 
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On my T54IR-ZE S3's, I'd say I get maybe 1% false positives on detection. It's almost non-existent. I do have really good external IR set up at night so not sure how things might be if I was using onboard IR. And, I get alot of animal traffic back where I have my S3's. There's also alot of trees with moving branches etc and my S3's never detect them.

Example of the scene pictured above with my tailless racoon!
 
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Keizer said:
On my T54IR-ZE S3's, I'd say I get maybe 1% false positives on detection. It's almost non-existent. I do have really good external IR set up at night so not sure how things might be if I was using onboard IR. And, I get alot of animal traffic back where I have my S3's. There's also alot of trees with moving branches etc and my S3's never detect them.
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In general, I don't have too many false positives, I have ~20 S3s and only maybe 2 or 3 of them, located is most problematic areas, are having these issues.
But it's still annoying, that's why I looking for something better :)
 
Molbo said:
In general, I don't have too many false positives, I have ~20 S3s and only maybe 2 or 3 of them, located is most problematic areas, are having these issues.
But it's still annoying, that's why I looking for something better :)
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I wish I had 20 S3's. :(
 
Molbo said:
In general, I don't have too many false positives, I have ~20 S3s and only maybe 2 or 3 of them, located is most problematic areas, are having these issues.
But it's still annoying, that's why I looking for something better :)
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You’re certain you don’t have SMD or MD on? No ROI on by mistake?
Decent bitrates?
You have sensitivity settings on the rules and global sensitivity.

Like @Keizer I have so few false alerts it’s a surprise when I do.
Home 12 cams, HOA neighborhood 8, buddy’s goat farm 26,

You’re never going to get to zero
 
bigredfish said:
You’re certain you don’t have SMD or MD on? No ROI on by mistake?
Decent bitrates?
You have sensitivity settings on the rules and global sensitivity.

Like @Keizer I have so few false alerts it’s a surprise when I do.
Home 12 cams, HOA neighborhood 8, buddy’s goat farm 26,

You’re never going to get to zero
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Everithing looks correct and the same for all cameras. It's defintely about moving shadows and branches. And as I said, it's usually happening on really windy days, when the patterns are prety chaotic.
As far as I understand this the result of using the "small" model, and that's why Dahua trying to make it larger...
 
A couple of days ago when the wind was blowing the grass around I had 70 false detects on the S3 in a 2-hour period. When the wind is still, there's only an occasional false detect when it thinks a rock is an animal or a fence post is a person.
 
steve1225 said:
Big question here is 'all problems with WizColor' is simply from different/bad video processing or there is worse image sensor or open aperture create problems with softness of image (last one can be very true for IR).

If there is worse image/optics, then worth checking should be 5459-IL, which looking at spec sheet looks like is using the same sensor as in 5442-S3 (different to 5459-PRO)...
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For my money they're simply trying to do too much with a small sensor.
 
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