Replace ColorVu cameras with IR

Robertomcat

Robertomcat

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Hello, good afternoon.

I currently have two Hivision ColorVu DS-2CD2387G2-LSU/SL cameras in my garage, and I think it's the worst purchase I've ever made. These cameras are about two years old, and during the day they work wonderfully, but at night the ghosting and pixelation are quite disastrous.

I've decided to replace them and want to replace them with two Dahua cameras with the same 8MP camera features, IR, and strobe siren.

I bought two cameras from Andy a while ago. Hopefully, with a bit of luck, he'll have some more with the features I mentioned earlier. Thank you very much.
 
Robertomcat said:
Hello, good afternoon.

I currently have two Hivision ColorVu DS-2CD2387G2-LSU/SL cameras in my garage, and I think it's the worst purchase I've ever made. These cameras are about two years old, and during the day they work wonderfully, but at night the ghosting and pixelation are quite disastrous.

I've decided to replace them and want to replace them with two Dahua cameras with the same 8MP camera features, IR, and strobe siren.

I bought two cameras from Andy a while ago. Hopefully, with a bit of luck, he'll have some more with the features I mentioned earlier. Thank you very much.
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EmpireTech IPC-Color4M-T 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP Smart Dual Light Active Deter

4MP 1/1.8" CMOS Built-in multi-core light, Max. IR distance is 30 m, Max. warm light distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring: Intrusion, Tripwire Supports max. 512 G Micro SD card Built-in dual Mic Support two-way talk IP67 protection Sound and light alarm (red and blue lights) SMD 4.0
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Hello, good morning. Thanks for the reply. Searching your website, I also found the 8MP version, which seems like a better option. Thanks! I'll contact Andy.
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EmpireTech IPC-Color8M-TL 1/1.8" CMOS 8MP TiOC PRO Fixed-focal Turret

8MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor Built-in multi-core light, the max. IR distance is 30 m and the max. warm light distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring: Intrusion, tripwire supports max. 512 G Micro SD card; built-in dual Mic; 1-ch speaker; support two-way talk 12 VDC/PoE power supply IP67...
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Robertomcat said:
Hello, good morning. Thanks for the reply. Searching your website, I also found the 8MP version, which seems like a better option. Thanks! I'll contact Andy.
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EmpireTech IPC-Color8M-TL 1/1.8" CMOS 8MP TiOC PRO Fixed-focal Turret

8MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor Built-in multi-core light, the max. IR distance is 30 m and the max. warm light distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring: Intrusion, tripwire supports max. 512 G Micro SD card; built-in dual Mic; 1-ch speaker; support two-way talk 12 VDC/PoE power supply IP67...
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I know we have had this conversation before LOL

In low light, the lower MP camera on the same size sensor as the higher MP will outperform the higher MP camera.

If pixelation and ghosting is bad now, it will be bad with a camera on the less than ideal MP/sensor ratio.

At night, at the fringes, the 4MP will show an identifiable image where the 8MP will show an unidentifiable blob. And when the 4MP is showing an unidentifiable blob, the 8MP won't know anything is there at all.
 
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I know we have had this conversation before LOL
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Hello @wittaj, how are you?
Yes, we were talking about the same thing a while back, and I remember. I have several links saved for this information. But this time I'm going to use infrared at night. I don't want 24-hour color anymore; at night, it's a disaster.

I had chosen the 8 MP camera because, with a 1/1.8 sensor, it was at the limit of what could be acceptable. The thing is, I can't find that camera model Andy has on his website, among the Dahua models.

I still have this photo saved from the last time we talked here, along with this link.
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Post in thread 'Is there a such thing as a camera system that is not complete trash? Suggestions?'

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Every camera needs visible white light to produce color motion video at night. Terms like DarkFighter, ColorVu, Starvis, FullColor and so on are nothing more than marketing terms. Color night vision is the Holy Grail of security cameras but is very difficult to achieve without spending megabucks. There is a relationship between resolution and sensor size to achieve good night performance and too many of the inexpensive cameras, Lorex, Reolink, use high resoltuions on small sensors which makes them blind at night. At the same time any camera can be made to have a color night...
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While IR will be more beneficial, the same applies with IR.

I wish we could post images because I would post you two night images from a lower and higher MP on the same sensor. It makes a difference even with IR.
 
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While IR will be more beneficial, the same applies with IR.

I wish we could post images because I would post you two night images from a lower and higher MP on the same sensor. It makes a difference even with IR.
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Yes, I know there's a difference between the two specifications, and I'll have to choose the 4MP one so I don't end up with the same thing that already happened to me. Thanks! But what are the original models from the two links we've posted from Andy's website? I can't find these two models which I think are identical, the only difference is the megapixels.
 
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I know it's not a Dahua, but you can try Unifi G6 Pro. 1/1.2' inch sensor with IR, so 8MP should work.
 
Simple answer is give the camera some light. Put a light on a timer and run it all night. You only need a small led bulb of a couple of watts to bring the light levels up to where the Colorvu are probably going to give a decent picture without the issues you're describing. BTW pixellation and ghosting are both products mainly of too much gain and too slow a shutter which again is the product of you trying to compensate for a lack of light, athough you can also get hot pixels when there's insufficient light. I imagine your garage is total darkness at night as the only light in there will be any that leaks under the door or maybe from a side window. I'd try fitting a 200-300 lumen led bulb. That's probably going to be around 3-4 watts which is nothing to run and probabl less than the IR leds in a different camera. Aims: Gain max 50, shutter 4-6ms.
 
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Simple answer is give the camera some light. Put a light on a timer and run it all night. You only need a small led bulb of a couple of watts to bring the light levels up to where the Colorvu are probably going to give a decent picture without the issues you're describing. BTW pixellation and ghosting are both products mainly of too much gain and too slow a shutter which again is the product of you trying to compensate for a lack of light, athough you can also get hot pixels when there's insufficient light. I imagine your garage is total darkness at night as the only light in there will be any that leaks under the door or maybe from a side window. I'd try fitting a 200-300 lumen led bulb. That's probably going to be around 3-4 watts which is nothing to run and probabl less than the IR leds in a different camera. Aims: Gain max 50, shutter 4-6ms.
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The cameras have lighting from windows facing outside, but I have to slow down the shutter speed to 1/12 to capture good lighting in the scene, and that creates terrible ghosting.
 
Robertomcat said:
Hello, good afternoon.

I currently have two Hivision ColorVu DS-2CD2387G2-LSU/SL cameras in my garage, and I think it's the worst purchase I've ever made. These cameras are about two years old, and during the day they work wonderfully, but at night the ghosting and pixelation are quite disastrous.

I've decided to replace them and want to replace them with two Dahua cameras with the same 8MP camera features, IR, and strobe siren.

I bought two cameras from Andy a while ago. Hopefully, with a bit of luck, he'll have some more with the features I mentioned earlier. Thank you very much.
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Robertomcat said:
The cameras have lighting from windows facing outside, but I have to slow down the shutter speed to 1/12 to capture good lighting in the scene, and that creates terrible ghosting.
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Yours old cameras are identical to Dahua Color4K with 1/1.2" sensor - which have very good light sensitivity..
If they can't capture image at night, it means that you simply don't have light there at all...

You should buy hybrid cams with both IR and white.. Dahua have TIOC-PRO (aka Color4M / Color8M).. In two weeks there should be new higher 54PRO/58PRO (5x59-PRO) line available..
HIK have hybrid ColorVu 2.0 or ColorVu 3.0 models.

All of them are using the same 1/1.8" 4/6/8 Mpx image sensors.. All of them have hybrid IR + white..
If you have totally dark environment, choose cameras with 4 hybrid lights (turrets have usually only 2) and better IR/white range spec in spec sheet..
 
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Robertomcat said:
The cameras have lighting from windows facing outside, but I have to slow down the shutter speed to 1/12 to capture good lighting in the scene, and that creates terrible ghosting.
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You don't have enough light. I have the 4kT Dahua which are almost identical and I can get a decent picture with around 300-400 lumens and that's outside not in a small enclosed space like a garage and that's on a gain of 50 and a 4ms shutter. If it's that dark your colourvu requires >50 gain and an 80ms shutter, no colour cam will see without additional light. That's definately IR territory. 80ms is a huge shutter speed and 20 times longer than what I'm using - 1/250th. On mine have motion sensored flood lights to fill in to allow a great picture with minimal gain once triggered. However, the camera has to see in the dark 1st just in case the flood doesn't trigger and to avoid missing anything, and your garage is very very dark based on your setting, I'd say almost pitch black.
 
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If you have totally dark environment, choose cameras with 4 hybrid lights (turrets have usually only 2) and better IR/white range spec in spec sheet..
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CCTVCam said:
your garage is very very dark based on your setting, I'd say almost pitch black
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Yes, although the garage has some windows, it is actually completely dark. The cameras can be activated by ambient light to illuminate the area, but I definitely don't like that. I made a bad purchase from the start, and now there's nothing I can do except replace the cameras.

As for replacing the cameras, there's no need to buy cameras that still have the hybrid infrared and color feature. The best thing would be to buy one with only infrared and a siren that detects the presence of vehicles and people. But there are a lot of models on the market, and Andy has quality cameras. But couldn't I save a little money with cameras that are only infrared without having to spend $150? Thank you for your suggestions.
 
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Yes, although the garage has some windows, it is actually completely dark. The cameras can be activated by ambient light to illuminate the area, but I definitely don't like that. I made a bad purchase from the start, and now there's nothing I can do except replace the cameras.

As for replacing the cameras, there's no need to buy cameras that still have the hybrid infrared and color feature. The best thing would be to buy one with only infrared and a siren that detects the presence of vehicles and people. But there are a lot of models on the market, and Andy has quality cameras. But couldn't I save a little money with cameras that are only infrared without having to spend $150? Thank you for your suggestions.
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54IR (5442) also starts at $150
today hybrid lights in latest cams (like hybrid ColorVu or TIOC-PRO or WizColor) are no-cost thing..

$150 price point is cost of big image sensors (1/1.8") with good night performance, good optics and good video processing (modern SOC)..

everything below this price point have shitty small image sensors (1/2.8") and shitty video processing..
 
steve1225 said:
54IR (5442) also starts at $150
today hybrid lights in latest cams (like hybrid ColorVu or TIOC-PRO or WizColor) are no-cost thing..

$150 price point is cost of big image sensors (1/1.8") with good night performance, good optics and good video processing (modern SOC)..

everything below this price point have shitty small image sensors (1/2.8") and shitty video processing..
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Yes, the solution is to install the cameras that Andy currently has, which are 1/1.8 4MP. That will be the best option. Which models are you saying will be released in two weeks?
 
Robertomcat said:
Yes, the solution is to install the cameras that Andy currently has, which are 1/1.8 4MP. That will be the best option. Which models are you saying will be released in two weeks?
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Andy should release new 54PRO (5459-PRO) & 58PRO - latest & greatest 4/8 Mpx in 1/1.8" and F1.0 aperture with strong hybrid lights (IR + white), which are very handy..
IR can work at night, white can be (or not, depending of configuration) activated by motion in situation of too low lights..
In case of some white lights (street lights) they work in color mode at night without LEDs...

those 54PRO cams will be +20% more pricy in comparison to 54IR or 34PRO (TIOC-PRO) models, which Andy have now in shop...

steve1225

Thread 'Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series'

Dahua released new 5x59-PRO camera lineup with F1.0/F1.2 apertures and WizColor technology:


But also released new 5x59-IL Smart Dual Light cams with F1.6/F1.8 apertures and without WizColor technology:


Both lines looks almost identical (Smart Dual Light have extra Z4E models with telephoto both have extra Z4E models), both are using the same new firmware line...
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Andy should release new 54PRO (5459-PRO) & 58PRO - latest & greatest 4/8 Mpx in 1/1.8" and F1.0 aperture with strong hybrid lights (IR + white), which are very handy..
IR can work at night, white can be (or not, depending of configuration) activated by motion in situation of too low lights..
In case of some white lights (street lights) they work in color mode at night without LEDs...

those 54PRO cams will be +20% more pricy in comparison to 54IR or 34PRO (TIOC-PRO) models, which Andy have now in shop...

steve1225

Thread 'Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series'

Dahua released new 5x59-PRO camera lineup with F1.0/F1.2 apertures and WizColor technology:


But also released new 5x59-IL Smart Dual Light cams with F1.6/F1.8 apertures and without WizColor technology:


Both lines looks almost identical (Smart Dual Light have extra Z4E models with telephoto both have extra Z4E models), both are using the same new firmware line...
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Well then, I'll wait a while, even if I have to pay a little more for the new cameras. But of course, it all depends on how much more you have to pay compared to the savings you get.

All those cameras in the links with the orange star label, will they all be new in two weeks? Does Andy post the new items he adds to the channel on his profile? Thanks for the links.
 
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