mat200
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winning the hearts and minds is always a challenge ..
The old solutions to this are not very acceptable to the USA today
Israel attacked by Hamas...
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winning the hearts and minds is always a challenge ..
The old solutions to this are not very acceptable to the USA today
Conquering Land is always the easy part, what to do with the people is the hard part. Here in the US we did the same as Israel did with Gaza, we gave the Native Americans land (Reservations), we went a step further, we forced our language/religion on them. They can govern themselves but are still subject to our Federal Laws. They have dual citizenship, their Tribe and U.S.
Many people here forget we have a two-state solution (actually hundreds), Native American tribes are sovereign nations within our borders:
Many people here forget we have a two-state solution (actually hundreds), Native American tribes are sovereign nations within our borders:
The difference, IMO, is you have a bunch of Arab nations (Enemies) around you that will not let it happen unless ya'll conquer them all, we did not. Texas alone conquered it's land and defeated Mexico which created the Southern border here.
Don't know much about Canada but they are no threat. They were conquered too, they have many Indian reserves.
The Muslim population is way, way too large to conquer, to change their stance of infidels and jihad. They hate us and always will...
For those who understand this, it is basically two brothers fighting. Isaac (Israelites) and Ishmael (Arabs):
GENESIS16:10 Then the angel added, “I will greatly multiply your offspring so that they will be too numerous to count.”
11 The angel of the LORD proceeded:
“Behold, you have conceived and will bear a son.
And you shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard your cry of affliction.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man,
and his hand will be against everyone,
and everyone’s hand against him;
he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers.”
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Why doesn't he say a word regarding Russia war?
Russia tries to conquer Ukraine for no good reason.
The war last years with great loses to both sides.
What about the time Assad used chemical weapons against his own people?
The world is twisted, I think everyone know this.
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Russia has and has not had any intention of conquering Ukraine.
The US and NATO started that war and Ukraine was bombing its own citizens in the Donbas region adjacent to Russia.
Had NATO not forced it and pushed Russia into it, we wouldn’t be talking about it.
But yes the EU wants the war to continue now, its hypocrisy
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I give zero credibility to claims of “well they did it so it’s ok for us”
Is that what Jesus taught?
Oh …
Is that what Jesus taught?
Oh …
No that wasn't my intention.
Israel doesn't want or need Gaza, the only reason for this war is the aggression of the Gazans/Hamas.
Unless you claim this war is a lasting operation made to keep Bibi on his chair, maybe, but he doesn't hold the hostages.
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When are the people of Gaza going to put their foot down and rid themselves of Hamas? Waiting for the LOLs and LMAOs....
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If you think about the events of this war, each side, Iran/Israel got to see the strength and weaknesses of each other. Iran sucked you guys into the war. But Israel rocks, IMO. What you guys did with the pagers was pure genius. Iran did not see that coming.
Iran knew you guys would retaliate, at what degree they did not know. They have watched for years ya'lls defense system taking care of rockets, but could it handle a barrage? This war gave them their answer, they cannot annihilate you guys without Nuclear. Now they know. You guys already knew Iran does not have a defense system. So if no Nukes, they would have to change the mindsets of your people, like what is happening with the rest of the world with the invasion of Communism/Socialism from the Elites. Destruction from within, like what we are going through...they focused on our educational system spreading lies...been doing this for decades....
What is entertaining to me, Putin/Russian has fought off the Woke movement, it simply is not there, yet we absorbed it. Now we are fighting it...kinda ironic if you ask me...
Iran knew you guys would retaliate, at what degree they did not know. They have watched for years ya'lls defense system taking care of rockets, but could it handle a barrage? This war gave them their answer, they cannot annihilate you guys without Nuclear. Now they know. You guys already knew Iran does not have a defense system. So if no Nukes, they would have to change the mindsets of your people, like what is happening with the rest of the world with the invasion of Communism/Socialism from the Elites. Destruction from within, like what we are going through...they focused on our educational system spreading lies...been doing this for decades....
What is entertaining to me, Putin/Russian has fought off the Woke movement, it simply is not there, yet we absorbed it. Now we are fighting it...kinda ironic if you ask me...
In their mindset, they are Hamas...it is all they know, been this way for centuries...no matter where they live, same mindset. Kill the Jews...when Hamas is no more there will be a rise of another group...look at their history. Remember the PLO...they tried to overthrow Jordan.When are the people of Gaza going to put their foot down and rid themselves of Hamas? Waiting for the LOLs and LMAOs....
Until they change their mindset "death to Israel/The West", they will always be a people without a nation/land of their own.
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^^^^ and that right there is why you cannot simply say "Hamas, turn in your guns and leave" because most of Gazans would leave. Not everyone but in general Gazans=Hamas, Hamas=Gazans.
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mat200
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iirc, Canada was happy to receive the "Native Redcoats" the new United States kicked out ...
Forced from their homes and persecuted at the end of the American Revolution, United Empire Loyalists sought refuge in British Canada. When war broke out in 1812, Loyalist families committed themselves to defending the British Crown and their lands for a second time.
“There remained only smoldering ruins” daughter of a loyalist reflecting on the burning of her family’s settlement by American forces
A bronze statue of two parents and two children and a plaque labeled
A memorial in Hamilton, Ontario recognizes the hardships endured by the United Empire Loyalists.
Safforest via Wikimedia Commons
In the years following their victory in the War of Independence, American patriots drove nearly 60,000 loyal British subjects from their homes in the thirteen colonies. Many loyalists sought refuge in the British colony of Canada to the north. In their own minds, those Loyalists had fought simply to defend the Crown and protect their homes. In the wake of the British defeat, however, they were vilified and branded as traitors by their former neighbors.
Most Loyalists settled in the eastern regions of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Others settled in Lower Canada (present-day Quebec) or Upper Canada (present-day Ontario). Even with land grants and food from government stores, these Loyalists struggled to rebuild their lives on the Canadian frontier.
mat200
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oh, blame NATO, blame the USA .. poor Putin is a victim ..
jez, how the heck can one honestly believe this