Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series

[DeeBeeCee]

That’s exactly the kind of behavior I’ve seen with UniFi Protect cameras as well.
The AI runs full-frame detection first, then checks if the target happens to intersect any rule or zone.
In real-world angles that often means a person walking far off in the background can still trigger a light or alert. Or does not. Depends.

If that’s what’s happening here too, then it’s really more of a software design limitation than a configuration issue.
It’s probably fixable in firmware, but hard to tune without breaking other AI functions. which is why these systems tend to behave the same across brands. Hope I am wrong.

 

[Tinman]

I think thats just resetting exposure after the light went out. I see it on the 5442's even worse

The led stayed on for 65 seconds, way past the time she left the frame. I did a factory reset and started out fresh and made a new IVS rule (just one) and will test it again tonight. Remind me not to flash fw again, what a PITA to re-configure everything !

 

[bigredfish]

Oh missed that it stayed on that long

 

[bigredfish]

Still think it’s Smart Illumination, gotta be

 

[duplo]

Smart Illumination works different.

In your scenario you cant use smart illumination. It will be triggered all time. Or adjust the cam better.

standard config of smart illu is 60secs (min 30s). time start after nothing is detected anymore. IVS light rule trigger can use less.

See dahua infos on monitored area

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So if you dont use smart illu and already factory reset the cam, maybe a bug. Maybe try to disable it on all used profiles.

But 60s sounds like smart illu

 

[bigredfish]

Smart Illumination works different.

In your scenario you cant use smart illumination. It will be triggered all time. Or adjust the cam better.

standard config of smart illu is 60secs (min 30s). time start after nothing is detected anymore. IVS light rule trigger can use less.

See dahua infos on monitored area

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I use it in my tight confined carport and it works great. You're saying in a more wide open area with lots of movement it will trigger on a lot of things? Right?

 

[duplo]

I use it in my tight confined carport and it works great. You're saying in a more wide open area with lots of movement it will trigger on a lot of things? Right?

Sadly there is no info what monitored area means. For me after testing it looks like its all what the cam can see. Maybe accuracy level has to be bit higher than smd trigger.
so yes, if the cam detects a person far away it turns the light on. the walking person with turning on light looks like smart illu is the problem here. 60s time to turn off is also an indication for smart illu.

It can be solved with IVS triggered light (tripwire). But if you use manual mode on this cam the internal light may not be able to switch the cam to color from BW. At least if internal is the only available and the area is low light. For this you need more light/brighter areas. Smart illu has hard coded forced color.

 

[bigredfish]

Agree, thank you

 

[duplo]

btw @Tinman
i suggest using less gain like 50 or even 40 as upper limit.
the camera tends to use too much gain in color mode

 

[bigredfish]

nope, no MD or SMD. But now I am concerned why the led lights did not come on fluffy. I might just default the cam back to factory defaults and start fresh. I tried Andy's 09/28 fw and then went back. I did the default, but now wondering if something is hosed ? I'll report back with better results hopefully.

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On the 3449 the Smart Illumination only has a Human and Vehicle filter not sure on the 5x59Pro?

 

[CamCrazy]

Oh, I cannot wait to play with this when mine arrives! plenty of testing to come.

 

[DeeBeeCee]

If Smart Illumination was really off, then the 60 sec light can only come from a leftover Smart-Illu state or a firmware bug.
a quick test is to set the IVS warning light to 5 s
if it still stays on for around 60s, it’s not IVS but the global Smart-Illu timer kicking in. Right?

 

[bigredfish]

My guess is it was on and he didn't know it.

If you use a schedule for profiles for example, and set it up under Day/Night tab for Auto to allow for the light to come on in dark cloudy weather, it will act much like it does at night.

I know I found mine to be on in that scenario when the light kicked on at 3 in the afternoon during a dark thunderstorm when I walked out past it and it surprised me.

I almost wonder if when setting Day/Night to Auto it may enable by itself?

 

[Tinman]

If Smart Illumination was really off, then the 60 sec light can only come from a leftover Smart-Illu state or a firmware bug.
a quick test is to set the IVS warning light to 5 s
if it still stays on for around 60s, it’s not IVS but the global Smart-Illu timer kicking in. Right?

The IVS rule works on my 20sec setting if I go and trigger it by walking through my set rule area. I can tell now the neighbors will be wondering why I am walking in the street again LOL My first test tonight will see if I can set off the led light by walking down the street. I just went out and tested it now while it is still light out. The IVS rule worked perfect as when I walked up onto the porch the leds came on and stayed on if I walked around on porch. As soon as I left the porch they shut off after 20sec. I walked down the street and all around the front yard and no led
coming on. So, good for daytime. After dark I'll give it another test. Here are my settings:


all

I also set my day profile to this:


But BI will change the cam to night profile at sunset, so this should not matter.

 

[DeeBeeCee]

Great test, @Tinman
looks perfect by day.
If the LEDs act differently tonight, it’s probably the night profile quietly reenabling Smart Illumination logic in low light.
That’s when the camera starts reacting to any Human in the full FOV instead of just the Tripwire zone.
I am excited

 

[Tinman]

Good news, the led warning light works as configured. I could not trigger it to go off by walking down the street or sidewalk anywhere but within my IVS rule. Maybe the factory reset fixed the issue, not sure, but it is working now. I did adjust the exposure compensation down to 9 from 50, as it was a little bright. I did mess with manual trying different shutter speeds and gain but never did see it much better than auto in my case. The led light did wash out my face when I got right in front of cam.

 

[alekk]

Great video ... love the outfit @Tinman ... as it looks like something I would wear (except when putting on my "color checker" outfit!) when doing late night camera testing.

At at least to my uninformed opinion, the LED light is doing what it should do - lights up when you "enter" (providing a MUCH better image) and turns off when you "leave"


Dumb question. When the warming light is triggered, does the camera increase shutter speed, decrease gain, and/or ?!?

The reason I ask is I see a bit of blurriness as you walk by the sidewalk (you are shaded) ... so I'm wondering if I'm seeing the noise reduction algorithm trying "really" hard to clean up this dark area (like your moving legs), but introducing some blur.

 

[duplo]

The led light did wash out my face when I got right in front of cam.

Overexposure control seems not to work. Not sure if it does with IVS triggered light only. Overexposure control is aggressive on this cam, so i would avoid it anyway if possible.

Its not bad. Sure one could use manual settings, but for auto mode it doesnt look bad. Street now less overexposed.

 

[CamCrazy]

Great video ... love the outfit @Tinman ... as it looks like something I would wear (except when putting on my "color checker" outfit!) when doing late night camera testing.

At at least to my uninformed opinion, the LED light is doing what it should do - lights up when you "enter" (providing a MUCH better image) and turns off when you "leave"


Dumb question. When the warming light is triggered, does the camera increase shutter speed, decrease gain, and/or ?!?

The reason I ask is I see a bit of blurriness as you walk by the sidewalk (you are shaded) ... so I'm wondering if I'm seeing the noise reduction algorithm trying "really" hard to clean up this dark area (like your moving legs), but introducing some blur.

Shutter speed needs to be faster, that is my take on this one anyway, this will darken the scene slightly but should fix the motion blur - Image looking pretty good elsewhere though.

Maybe try this:

Shutter 0 - 15 or at least 0 - 20

Gain 0 - 50 or 0 - 60 to compensate for shutter

3D NR to less than 40 if possible

2D NR to less than 30 if possible

Image below was for my reference! maybe even try shutter priority using somewhere between 15 and 20. Disclaimer, I don't have one of these yet but have plenty of testing experience with other Dahua models

 

[DeeBeeCee]

At least after the reset it seems to work pretty much the way it’s supposed to
so it’s not the same kind of mess I have seen with the UniFi cams.