Confusion around Day/Night switch utility and newer Dahua cameras

Corvus85 said:
Did anyone end up solving this for the newer cameras?
I've currently got a similar issue:
I've found that when I 'paint' a schedule for the current month, all of a sudden I am able to apply 'night' profile settings without it being locked to 'day'.
However this doesn't solve the problem. I want the camera to change profiles according to sunset/sunrise times, and it looks like the previous Windows Dahua utility is no longer applicable for this new UI.

Unbelievably boneheaded decisions these developers make with the UI on these things. You'd think in 2025 they'd include this as a basic feature!
Any solutions??
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on modern UI5 cams there are two different functionalities:

- Customized scene - where you have a few (8-9) manual profiles, which are switched automatically depending of the time of day in specific month using time plan settings. Default settings on all new cams is that Day profile is used for 24 hours in day in all 12 year's months. And you can't switch to other profile.

If You want to disable that automatic switching to Day profile, you must 'un-paint' all colors blocks in time table (there is 'Clear' button there) and Save this. In that mode (cleared time plan) camera should stay in any manually selected profile without changing it...

- Day/Night switch - there are 2 profiles, which are automatically switched depending on how much light is coming to camera sensor.
 
steve1225 said:
on modern UI5 cams there are two different functionalities:

- Customized scene - where you have a few (8-9) manual profiles, which are switched automatically depending of the time of day in specific month using time plan settings. Default settings on all new cams is that Day profile is used for 24 hours in day in all 12 year's months. And you can't switch to other profile.

If You want to disable that automatic switching to Day profile, you must 'un-paint' all colors blocks in time table (there is 'Clear' button there). In that mode (cleared time plan) camera should stay in any manually selected profile without changing it...

- Day/Night switch - there are 2 profiles, which are automatically switched depending on how much light is coming to camera sensor.
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The camera he is using doesn't have the day/night radio button option.
 
steve1225 said:
- Day/Night switch - there are 2 profiles, which are automatically switched depending on how much light is coming to camera sensor.
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It doesn't automatically switch profiles at all. All it does is switch between Color and B&W within the current profile! Even if it worked the way you said, this doesn't solve the problem because then BI will switch profiles at a completely different time, and it's now impossible to sync them.

steve1225 said:
If You want to disable that automatic switching to Day profile, you must 'un-paint' all colors blocks in time table (there is 'Clear' button there) and Save this. In that mode (cleared time plan) camera should stay in any manually selected profile without changing it...
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No this is wrong. Even when I press 'clear', it is still LOCKED to 'day' profile, and will never change unless I actually paint a night block into the current month and save it.
 
Corvus85 said:
It doesn't automatically switch profiles at all. All it does is switch between Color and B&W within the current profile! Even if it worked the way you said, this doesn't solve the problem because then BI will switch profiles at a completely different time, and it's now impossible to sync them.


No this is wrong. Even when I press 'clear', it is still LOCKED to 'day' profile, and will never change unless I actually paint a night block into the current month and save it.
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No BI will not switch the actual camera profile unless you set up the API to do so.

They are totally independent.
 
Corvus85 said:
This doesn't solve the problem because then BI will switch profiles at a completely different time, and it's now impossible to sync them.


No this is wrong. Even when I press 'clear', it is still LOCKED to 'day' profile, and will never change unless I actually paint a night block into the current month and save it.
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looks like firmware error..
you can try to do standard voodoo magic (upgrade firmware to latest, do default on camera to factory settings)...

if this don't help then your should report this problem/error to your Dahua seller, which should report this to Dahua China and request fixed firmware..
 
steve1225 said:
looks like firmware error..
you can try to do standard voodoo magic (upgrade firmware to latest, do default on camera to factory settings)...

if this don't help then your should report this problem/error to your Dahua seller, which should report this to Dahua China and request fixed firmware..
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second option is simply use one profile.. on most cased today there is no need to two separate profiles for day & night..

even in full manual mode you have RANGES for shutter time and gain - you can create one profile which will work nice in day & night...
 
steve1225 said:
looks like firmware error..
you can try to do standard voodoo magic (upgrade firmware to latest, do default on camera to factory settings)...

if this don't help then your should report this problem/error to your Dahua seller, which should report this to Dahua China and request fixed firmware..
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Like I said, without the incredibly basic ability to set schedules based upon the sunrise/sunset cycles, it's pointless anyway.

Does anyone have any direct emails for engineers at Dahua?
I'd LOVE to write them a few colourful emails with my feedback.
 
steve1225 said:
second option is simply use one profile.. on most cased today there is no need to two separate profiles for day & night..

even in full manual mode you have RANGES for shutter time and gain - you can create one profile which will work nice in day & night...
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Listen, I don't know where people get off saying that one profile is enough, but it's not.
My porch lights alone completely blow out anything I've set in the day profile, and if 'ranges' are your saving grace, then the range would have to be so big to contain all the possible lighting situations that I may as well set it to auto.
 
Corvus85 said:
Like I said, without the incredibly basic ability to set schedules based upon the sunrise/sunset cycles, it's pointless anyway.

Does anyone have any direct emails for engineers at Dahua?
I'd LOVE to write them a few colourful emails with my feedback.
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you can't contact with Dahua China directly - they don't talk with end-users...

You must go by Your seller, it will use Dahua contact in Your country and then they can report a problem in firmware to Dahua China.
 
steve1225 said:
you can't contact with Dahua China directly - they don't talk with end-users...

You must go by Your seller, it will use Dahua contact in Your country and then they can report a problem in firmware to Dahua China.
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Well that's not an option because I bought this from an online seller. All they'd do is tell me to go through the dahua website.
 
Corvus85 said:
Listen, I don't know where people get off saying that one profile is enough, but it's not.
My porch lights alone completely blow out anything I've set in the day profile, and if 'ranges' are your saving grace, then the range would have to be so big to contain all the possible lighting situations that I may as well set it to auto.
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As I person who manages hundreds of cams, I will tell you that You are not right.. Simply You don't know how to do it :)

In 97% cases night profile (shutter time/gains setup for the night - but only if setup as RANGES from 0 to specified value - in full manual mode) will work very well in day. Camera will use faster shutter times and lower gains at day - because there are specified as range from ZERO to specified value...

The most popular reason in those 2-3% cases where I need separate profiles is situation when at night I need WDR mode and at day I want to disable WDR (or reverse).
 
Corvus85 said:
Just set it to auto then.
Why even buy Dahua's 'better image sensor' in the first place if you can't tune it for specific conditions?
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Because auto would make the shutter too slow and we get blur.

Instead of complaining, actually try a range and see what it looks like at night?

What shutter speed do you want to be at night? That then becomes the 2nd number in the range. And the 0 as the first number allows the shutter to be faster if the available light needs a faster shutter.
 
steve1225 said:
As I person who manages hundreds of cams, I will tell you that You are not right.. Simply You don't know how to do it :)

In 97% cases night profile (shutter time/gains setup for the night - but only if setup as RANGES from 0 to specified value - in full manual mode) will work very well in day. Camera will use faster shutter times and lower gains at day - because there are specified as range from ZERO to specified value...

The most popular reason in those 2-3% cases where I need separate profiles is situation when at night I need WDR mode and at day I want to disable WDR (or reverse).
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And what if I need to enable WDR in the day because of the glaring sun casting huge black shadows over covered areas?
 
Corvus85 said:
And what if I need to enable WDR in the day because of the glaring sun casting huge black shadows over covered areas?
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I wrote that - this is main case where I need separate profiles in those 2-3% cases...

For now you can use WDR all day & night.. and use one profile...

Or contact with Your seller.. And try to create request for fixed firmware. You seller sold You this product and his is responsible to support it.

Dahua (or HIK) in China don't support directly end-users.. Only local resellers or country representatives...
 
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