bidens incredible transition to electric cars

Got this today. Being a hopeless liberal state, Oregon has aggressively pushed electric cars, plus we coincidentally have a fairly new data center nearby. I'm sure that will cut back so the ordinary people won't have to :D:rofl::D.

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Got this today. Being a hopeless liberal state, Oregon has aggressively pushed electric cars, plus we coincidentally have a fairly new data center nearby. I'm sure that will cut back so the ordinary people won't have to :D:rofl::D.

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Yes, it's seems the politicos in power always want to be perceived as doing what's best for their constituents even when they are more concerned about pursuing a policy that contradicts that. By that I mean, they push and push for people to get EVs, eliminate gas heating, eliminate fossil-fueled electric generation and basically go all-electric with their appliances and THEN...lo and behold, they won't admit they should have improved that electric grid BEFORE recruiting more users by eliminating the best alternatives to heating especially in very cold climates. Now they want you to cut back on using those devices they demanded that you buy earlier. :wtf:

I'm certainly no scientist or engineer but I'm certain of this.....even at pushing 77 years of age I will NOT witness in my remaining lifetime a better method of house heating, especially in the extremely cold winter temps in portions of the U.S., than natural gas or propane. Heat pumps currently CANNOT work below zero, most cannot below 30, some older ones below 40 and need resistive electric heater strips to provide any heat and resistive electric heat is EXTREMELY power hungry. Electricity does a great job at circulating that heated air so keep it around for that.

Each resource.....gas and electricity (even when derived by fossil fuels) has a suited purpose that cannot be surpassed AT THIS CURRENT TIME by other methods or fuels...at least not in reality, maybe so on paper or in the minds of engineers and scientists but until I can walk into a store or open a catalog and point to one that I can AFFORD TO BUY and have it installed in a week or two then forget it.....end of discussion.
 
I'm a bit sad to think that driving on the open highway may become an expensive luxury, but having had a long commute in a big city for about 40 years, I'd have been the first to sign up for a self-driving car if they were better than humans. As I get older, I also value the extra years of independence that a self-driving car would give me.
 
I'm a bit sad to think that driving on the open highway may become an expensive luxury, but having had a long commute in a big city for about 40 years, I'd have been the first to sign up for a self-driving car if they were better than humans. As I get older, I also value the extra years of independence that a self-driving car would give me.
States like mine that are heavily agricultural would really get hit with something like that. I hope it doesn't come to pass.
 
I'm a bit sad to think that driving on the open highway may become an expensive luxury, but having had a long commute in a big city for about 40 years, I'd have been the first to sign up for a self-driving car if they were better than humans. As I get older, I also value the extra years of independence that a self-driving car would give me.
For me I see it as another dumbing down of our society. Another Freedom lost, taken away from us. Freedom to drive myself. On the surface it all sounds good, let the car drive you, having your own digital chauffer driving while you get work done. I get it. This already exist for those who can afford it plus Park and Ride services. Now I see those services being first to go driverless...city taxis next. This I am all for, everyone driving in to a huge crowded city is stupid, being bused in makes sense to me.

We often said in our family, our grandkids won't have a drivers license in the future with self driving cars.

If people want self driving cars, fine, just Don't take away my driving privileges...
 
We often said in our family, our grandkids won't have a drivers license in the future with self driving cars.
In 1958 when I was 9 my mom would scoot as far as she could toward the driver's side window of her '50 Cadillac, I would get behind the wheel and also had the brakes and the gas pedal. I'd drive that behemoth from the main street a little over an eighth of mile to our house, make a 90° turn into our driveway, avoid the cinder block wall and park it.

Speaking for myself and pretty much every kid that I knew my age then could hardly wait util they could start driving legally. It was practically an obsession....only one other thing may have been in my mind at that time that superceded it....GIRLS!

I've got an 18 Y/O step-grandson and a 22 Y/O step-granddaughter that have no desire to drive. They're not sister and brother, but are cousins. IMO, they're an all-to-common product of an increasing trend...parents letting them sitting in front of a gaming console, PC and/or TV all day...no chores, no job, no discipline, no responsibilities. The parents, who are glorified non-paid
chauffeurs, make sure the kids have the time, the games, the hats and hoodies with logos and sayings, snacks and sodas....It's borderline child neglect.

Y'all have endured my rants on here about how we're rasing a generation (or two) of wussy-fied kids that are growing up to be weak and spineless young people with no backbones, no skills, no initiative...well, get ready to start passing out the welfare checks and probably disability too.....their butts are going to get so big from sitting on them all the time they won't be able to walk...they'll need vans with wheechair lifts, not regular sedans, to get them to and from Game Stop and Walmart. :confused:
 
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Very Well Said, sadly...

Pixar got this right in Wall-E
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In 1958 when I was 9 my mom would scoot as far as she could toward the driver's side window of her '50 Cadillac, I would get behind the wheel and also had the brakes and the gas pedal. I'd drive that behemoth from the main street a little over an eighth of mile to our house, make a 90° turn into our driveway, avoid the cinder block wall and park it.

Speaking for myself and pretty much every kid that I knew my age then could hardly wait util they could start driving legally. It was practically an obsession....only one other thing may have been in my mind at that time that superceded it....GIRLS!

I've got an 18 Y/O step-grandson and a 22 Y/O step-granddaughter that have no desire to drive. They're not sister and brother, but are cousins. IMO, they're an all-to-common product of an increasing trend...parents letting them sitting in front of a gaming console, PC and/or TV all day...no chores, no job, no discipline, no responsibilities. The parents, who are glorified non-paid
chauffeurs, make sure the kids have the time, the games, the hats and hoodies with logos and sayings, snacks and sodas....It's borderline child neglect.

Y'all have endured my rants on here about how we're rasing a generation (or two) of wussy-fied kids that are growing up to be weak and spineless young people with no backbones, no skills, no initiative...well, get ready to start passing out the welfare checks and probably disability too.....their butts are going to get so big from sitting on them all the time they won't be able to walk...they'll need vans with wheechair lifts, not regular sedans, to get them to and from Game Stop and Walmart. :confused:
Blast from the Past...Living in the Country....

We love it out here, go to a restaurant, NO ONE is glued to their phones, the Locals that is, we are close to a freeway so city folk stop in. As I have mentioned before, the kids here are very polite and respectful, also they are not on their phones either, pretty sure it is a rule from their parents. They all want their own Truck to drive, the girls as much as the boys...they are taught to drive on tractors still. My father took me to a parking lot when I was a young teenager to learn to drive. I had my son in my lap driving in our neighborhood, I think he was 4 or 5 years old, lol. That was back when people would drive slow in neighborhoods because kids were still playing in the streets.

But not all is Rosey out here, more and more land is being sold off by the kids who are inheriting it. Farms/Ranches are slowly dying.