AI for animal detection in older version of BI

[moparcruiser]

Hi folks.

I have had BI 5.4.4.2 humming along on my (old) PC for a few years now....I am not a believer in "upgrading" versions just for upgrade sake....

Plus my old PC may not be able to handle the newest version.

That all said --- I have been tinkering with the detection/trigger settings a bit in this old version.

I get more "hits" when bugs cross the path of the IR at night but animals (opossums, raccoons) walking through the frame at night do not trigger alerts and I am wondering what I am doing wrong? Their eyeballs are all lit up and everything.....but no alerts.

Any common areas to check/try?

I have a link to a video showing once such moment....but this page doesnt seem to allow it....so I am uploading two freezes.you can see that the bug crossing the IR beam at one point gets the alert going, but none of the animal activity triggers...


Thanks folks!

 

[bigredfish]

Possum is too distant and lacks enough contrast with its background. Few systems would ID that

 

[moparcruiser]

Possum is too distant and lacks enough contrast with its background. Few systems would ID that

I thought that too at first but I often get alerts from a clump of leaves on the tree moving (albeit in the daylight) where the leaves dont seem that contrasty to me....

I figured the glowing eyeballs would have triggered it since bugs in the IR do....?

 

[Flintstone61]

Hi folks.

I have had BI 5.4.4.2 humming along on my (old) PC for a few years now....I am not a believer in "upgrading" versions just for upgrade sake....

Plus my old PC may not be able to handle the newest version.

That all said --- I have been tinkering with the detection/trigger settings a bit in this old version.

I get more "hits" when bugs cross the path of the IR at night but animals (opossums, raccoons) walking through the frame at night do not trigger alerts and I am wondering what I am doing wrong? Their eyeballs are all lit up and everything.....but no alerts.

Any common areas to check/try?

I have a link to a video showing once such moment....but this page doesnt seem to allow it....so I am uploading two freezes.you can see that the bug crossing the IR beam at one point gets the alert going, but none of the animal activity triggers...


Thanks folks!

If you dont have too many cameras, and at least a 4th Gen i5 intel processor( i have the i5-4590) you can upgrade to 6 no problem. Just only use the Ai on 2-3 cameras. I kept adding AI to more cameras until the system couldn't handle it,,,then chose the most important cameras and backed off of the Ai demand on the system.
that is my tinkering sytem.
my daily driver is an i7-8700 Dell Precision 3630 with a used "Dell branded" Nvidia RTX 3060Ti

 

[moparcruiser]

If you dont have too many cameras, and at least a 4th Gen i5 intel processor( i have the i5-4590) you can upgrade to 6 no problem. Just only use the Ai on 2-3 cameras. I kept adding AI to more cameras until the system couldn't handle it,,,then chose the most important cameras and backed off of the Ai demand on the system.
that is my tinkering sytem.
my daily driver is an i7-8700 Dell Precision 3630 with a used "Dell branded" Nvidia RTX 3060Ti

Thanks for that info.....yeah I am contemplating a swap to a newer box....have to be in the right frame of mind to start down that road...lol

After my last post I basically set the detection to the most sensitive setting last evening and this morning found that I now am getting yellow squares around the possum, but not red ones....and still not triggering an alert.......so I am close......maybe......but still no cigar.

 

[Flintstone61]

If more is good too much is just right. ( the alcoholics creed) or any addiction really....
I just ordered an i9-9900 to upgrade my system from i7-8700....33% more cores and threads according AI. 6c-12thrd vs. 8c-16thrd
Winters coming, I need more heat from under my desk in the basement
( justification, rationalization, denial)

 

[Flintstone61]

I blame @moparcruiser. He started it.

 

[105437]

I've recently been testing the built-in AI detection using the Yolov10m and bi-animal-v5 models. People and Vehicles are working well, the animal detection is not good at all. I live in a rural area where many of the animals listed in the bi-animal-v5 model frequent each night. When occupying a 1/4 of the FOV, I'm getting very few correct detections. I'm about to give up on it and go back to the built-in IVS animal detection in the 54IRs.

Is anyone using the built-in AL detection for animals in BI getting consistent, successful animal detections? If so, what's the secret sauce? Thanks!

 

[wittaj]

As I mentioned in your other thread about resolution for AI, the further away the animal is, the harder it will be to detect.

Then it has to be the same kind of animal that is in the model at about the same size.

And color tends to work better than B/W.

Based on your image above, I can totally see why it would miss.

The best way to get it to detect is to train your own model with your own field of view.

The next is a few thermal cams to trigger your visible cameras when the thermal detects movement.

Personally, I have found the built-in camera AI to be superior to 3rd party AI and would only suggest using 3rd party if it is for a feature IVS doesn't have, like UPS or FedEx detection.

 

[105437]

As I mentioned in your other thread about resolution for AI, the further away the animal is, the harder it will be to detect.

Then it has to be the same kind of animal that is in the model at about the same size.

And color tends to work better than B/W.

Based on your image above, I can totally see why it would miss.

The best way to get it to detect is to train your own model with your own field of view.

The next is a few thermal cams to trigger your visible cameras when the thermal detects movement.

Personally, I have found the built-in camera AI to be superior to 3rd party AI and would only suggest using 3rd party if it is for a feature IVS doesn't have, like UPS or FedEx detection.

Hi @wittaj, I'm not sure if you're replying to my post. I didn't post an image. Thanks

 

[wittaj]

Hi @wittaj, I'm not sure if you're replying to my post. I didn't post an image. Thanks

Whoops sorry I thought the image in first post was yours lol.