Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series

wittaj said:
As I have stated many times, for surveillance cameras, most of us here want the ability to obtain a freeze frame clean capture of a perp in motion, not nice bright static images.

I wouldn't use these cameras to take pics for the county fair competition LOL as there are other cameras designed for that purpose.

This camera does make nice bright static images though....
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Probably unrealistic but I'd like to see that. A picture can never be too good. It can be too bad though.

The better and clearer the image, the more chance there is of LE capturing the perp. We've had instances where I work of the Police refusing to take footage because they didn't think they'd get a conviction from the quality of the shot as the perp could just say, well they look similar but it isn't me. Without that extra quality, they wouldn't risk all the time and paperwork to take it to Court for the perp to be able to get off by simply being able to claim it isn't them even though it looks a bit like them. Only a super clear definitive image can prove it is someone and the caeras we have don't always capture that.

A good example is Looneys still picture from above. Head down on the 2nd photo without good focus, he could claim it's someone similar and no-one could prove otherwise and that's not even a comparitively bad focus / picture compared to some. We only know it's him because he posted it and we know him. It's not a good recognition shot though.
 
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CamCrazy said:
Just an update, I tried the Dahua firmware, failed regardless of which way around sadly, so for now, guess I stick with current new, or drop back to previous depending.

Is anyone else seeing a darker image on sub stream below 1080p with the very latest firmware? mainstream is normal, just sub stream. I am running Blue Iris but it can be seen via the camera interface also.
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Yes, I am seeing a significantly darker sub stream as well but just on night settings. Running the firmware the camera shipped with (T54PRO-ZE).

Were you able to find a solution?

I had this in a location for a couple of weeks until I pulled it to replace it with a T54IR-SE and don't remember noticing a difference then. It had supplemental IR there, though. In the new location it is only on camera IR source and the difference is stark.
 
swoozle said:
Yes, I am seeing a significantly darker sub stream as well but just on night settings. Running the firmware the camera shipped with (T54PRO-ZE).

Were you able to find a solution?

I had this in a location for a couple of weeks until I pulled it to replace it with a T54IR-SE and don't remember noticing a difference then. It had supplemental IR there, though. In the new location it is only on camera IR source and the difference is stark.
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Here is the odd thing, at some point in the last few days this has resolved itself! :wow: At the time I tried everything to resolve it, no joy, literally a direct result of the firmware upgrade, @Chokolinho was seeing it also. Right now it seems to be OK.

The issue I had with the exposure darkening with motion in both B&W and colour seems to still exist but I will confirm this later, this happened with the previous firmware, rather than the most recent release.
 
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steve1225 said:
Dahua released new 5x59-PRO camera lineup with F1.0/F1.2 apertures and WizColor technology:


But also released new 5x59-IL Smart Dual Light cams with F1.6/F1.8 apertures and without WizColor technology:


Both lines looks almost identical (Smart Dual Light have extra Z4E models with telephoto both have extra Z4E models), both are using the same new firmware line: DH_IPC-HX5XXX-Fourier_MultiLang_PN_Stream4_V3.146.0000000.1.R.250731

Andy (@EMPIRETECANDY) do you have any extra information about differences or purpose of two extra 5-series lines?
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The two 5×59 lines look similar, but the PRO version clearly targets better low-light color with F1.0/F1.2 and WizColor. The Smart Dual Light models seem more budget-focused with smaller apertures and no WizColor. Curious what @EMPIRETECANDY says about the real-world difference.
 
Molbo said:
So, does 54PRO ZE have any advantages comparing to 5442-S3 at this moment, even when it's using very latest firmware?
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Trying to be fair, it has the onboard white LEDs that can be triggered by IVS rules and/or Smart Illumination
It has a better mic.
It has stronger AI detection in theory, though so far I’ve had to turn that off due to false alerts
It’s brighter (but one can always adjust a 5442 to be close to comparable brightness)
Unfortunately image quality is a smidge or two behind currently and its noisier
 
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Molbo said:
So, does 54PRO ZE have any advantages comparing to 5442-S3 at this moment, even when it's using very latest firmware?
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It has white LED's and is technically able to run colour mode overnight, it has a built in speaker and the newer user interface. In the real world, at this point in time the answer is no, if you look through the last 10-20 pages most will suggest passing on this camera for now. If you really want colour and the white LED's, maybe using for close range doorway camera then this could work.

My recommendation is to go with either an S3 or possibly 4K series, with the latter there are some drawbacks for close focus distance. The white LED's are my favourite feature on the 54Pro, similarly the 4K, also the speaker on the 54Pro, otherwise at this point there is nothing else I prefer on the 54Pro! :( when compared to the S3 series.
 
Chokolinho said:
How does the Vario Tioc compare to the 54pro in terms of color? Perhaps it would be smarter to swap them.
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Just started today.

Dont see anything major different in daytime as expected.
Out of the box the 54PRO is brighter and more colorful. Easily fixed by adjusting Gain, Contrast and Saturation on the 3449
I see no benefit in using a "standard" setting as each series out of the box is different. What matters is can they be adjusted to be equal or better?
Cameras adjusted to my "Almost Best" settings, meaning I spent less than 30 minutes tuning. Some may like a little more contrast, or sharpness, or brightness or WDR, - to each his own.
Both 0-2ms exposure and 12288 bitrate no backlight

I find the red color a bit off in the 54PRO but Im sure thats simply a WB issue that can be corrected.
Further testing and observations by @wopi82 in his thread today confirm /are consistent with my own that there is a difference/problem with how the 54PRO handles certain colors. Red stands out to me as a particular issue.

Dont see any sense in spending a lot of time on daytime, these along with the 5442 are all acceptable in daylight
Lots of different lighting conditions hour by hour due to shadows and the sun this time of year in relationship to the backyard

I like the 54PRO better than the 3449 TIOC PRO in this scene but that’s just a first glance due to its richer dynamic range .
Upon further review :facepalm: The 3449 TIOC PRO has a more realistic natural look to it. Hard to describe but its much closer to what I see with my own eyes, and the 54PRO is soft as we've seen with other tests.

I'll do more in depth on night comparison



The 5442 still looks better to me than both of the new PRO models and this is an older S2 variant
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3449 with and without Dehaze
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5459 ZE PRO
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Just read through this entire thread over the last couple days. So in a nut shell buy this camera instead.
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EmpireTech IPC-Color4M-T 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP Smart Dual Light Active Deter

4MP 1/1.8" CMOS Built-in multi-core light, Max. IR distance is 30 m, Max. warm light distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring: Intrusion, Tripwire Supports max. 512 G Micro SD card Built-in dual Mic Support two-way talk IP67 protection Sound and light alarm (red and blue lights) SMD 4.0
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Keizer said:
Just read through this entire thread over the last couple days. So in a nut shell buy this camera instead.
empiretech01.com

EmpireTech IPC-Color4M-T 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP Smart Dual Light Active Deter

4MP 1/1.8" CMOS Built-in multi-core light, Max. IR distance is 30 m, Max. warm light distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring: Intrusion, Tripwire Supports max. 512 G Micro SD card Built-in dual Mic Support two-way talk IP67 protection Sound and light alarm (red and blue lights) SMD 4.0
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It has its own set of issues I’ll point out in a head to head test of the 3449 TIOC PRO ZE, 54PRO ZE, and 5442 S3 ZE

It’ll take 3 nights beginning tonight so I’ll create a thread for it and hopefully wrap it up this weekend

And its cold as shit here, so send bourbon. Its dropped into the 50's and maybe 40's tomorrow.
In Florida this is considered worse than a Cat4 hurricane.
Pray for us
 
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Keizer said:
Just read through this entire thread over the last couple days. So in a nut shell buy this camera instead.
empiretech01.com

EmpireTech IPC-Color4M-T 1/1.8" CMOS 4MP Smart Dual Light Active Deter

4MP 1/1.8" CMOS Built-in multi-core light, Max. IR distance is 30 m, Max. warm light distance is 30 m Intelligent monitoring: Intrusion, Tripwire Supports max. 512 G Micro SD card Built-in dual Mic Support two-way talk IP67 protection Sound and light alarm (red and blue lights) SMD 4.0
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I believe that is a good alternative, others with experience will know more. A lot can depend on distance to subject, I can only vouch for the 4K and 5442/S3 series which are both excellent when used in the correct location. Do you have any cameras already and which type?
 
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Keizer said:
I have a total of 13 cams already deployed. Five 4K T cams, a couple PTZ cams, some T54IR-ZEB-S3's (My favorites) and some older 5442T's.

Honestly I wish all my cameras were 4MP. Nothing against my 4K T's but I just like my T54IR-ZEB-S3's alot.
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Oh wow, OK, well you have a fine selection! no harm trying one out. The S3's are superb, no doubt, one of Dahua's finest I suspect. The 4K series are certainly amazing cameras as well, not without flaws but I have been nothing but impressed with mine, they often get vehicle and people ID's which surprise me.

Unless you can see anything negative about the 4M-T then why give one a test, I am sure you will find a home for it regardless.
 
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