Saying they would "contribute" could be their only contribution?
Is the regime in Iran soon to be toast?
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mat200
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Wargames, I am certain the USA has run many more simulations - and anyone in the military are aware of the possible moves and outcomes.
Yet, this does show that analysis can be biased on starting assumptions which will be incorrect, as they say "The enemy has a say also"
Right now IRAN controls the Persian Gulf, and is the gate keeper. The USA imho failed here.
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In 2002, the US conducted Millennium Challenge, the largest war games in its history. They split soldiers into two teams: Blue, which was America, and Red, an unnamed generic Middle Eastern country.
The Red team was led by retired Marine Corps Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper.
The idea behind the games was to see how, not if, the Blue team would win. In other words, the Red team was supposed to lose, but General Van Riper didn’t want to lose. So he played to win. He used asymmetric tactics by doing things like using civilian boats instead of military ones, motorcycle couriers and coded messages in mosque towers because their cell phone networks had been hacked.
He launched a massive preemptive strike using a swarm of small boats and cruise missiles, which overwhelmed the Blue Team’s Aegis defense system. In the simulation, this resulted in the “sinking” of 16 American warships, including an aircraft carrier.
The exercise was supposed to take 14 days. Vin Riper and his team won after day one.
Understandably, the US military was embarrassed because this was supposed to show off all its superior tactics and cutting edge technologies. So, they restarted the exercise and changed the rules to force everyone to follow a script so that the red team could not win.
The exercise controllers brought the sunken ships back to life, and forced Van Riper to follow a scripted path that ensured a Blue Team victory.
Red was ordered to turn off certain air defense systems and use regular cellular communications to allow Blue to destroy them.
Red was also told exactly where to move certain units so Blue could pretend to find them and neutralise them according to a pre-planned timeline.
Most crucially, Van Riper was forbidden from using the swarming tactics that had been so effective in the opening hours.
The controllers argued that the reset was necessary because the goal of Millennium Challenge 2002 wasn’t just to see who would win, but to test new Network-Centric Warfare concepts. They felt that if the game ended on Day 2, they wouldn’t get to test the rest of their expensive toys. Van Riper, however, argued that testing those toys in a rigged environment provided a false sense of security.
General Van Riper was so angry, he quit the exercise midway and wrote a 21-page recommendation on changes the military had to make to, get around his asymmetric tactics. They ignored the report and said the exercises were a huge success that proved the military doctrine was good.
“It was no longer a free-play exercise... it was a scripted exercise. They had a desired outcome, and they were going to get it.”
— Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper
24 years later, maybe Von Riper was onto something.
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UK sends planners to CentCom to help secure the Strait.
Ok
So how many countries has Iran attacked directly in the past, oh 100 years?
How many countries has Israel attacked since 1948?
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday said Israel “acted alone” in its attack on Iran’s largest gas compound, an action that President Trump said he did not approve of.
By "countries" you mean governments? Or terrorists located in said countries? Yes, there's a difference for people who don't seem to know the difference.
Israel treats Al-Qaeda terrorists in Israel hospitals. ISIS and Al-Qaeda have attacked virtually every non muslim country other than Israel.
mat200
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Yes, and .. in how many countries have Jews been killed for being Jews ?
Remember, the story of Muhammad was early on as a warlord vs Jews and Christians in the middle east
we can continue the discussion with various Islamic colonizers .. Egypt used to be majority Coptic Christian before the Islamic colonization.
So, the battles continues .. still doubt Israel would Nuke countries which are on the sideline