Dahua WizColor 5x59-PRO and SmartLight 5x59-IL new series

[bigredfish]

I can't imagine it would be better at night. More the opposite, as with every other 4K camera I've played with using a 1/1.8 sensor or 4MP camera with 1/2.8 sensor.

But enough light cures most anything!

 

[StevenFromTexas]

When it comes to all of these new Dahua camera disasters and the testers beating their damn heads against the wall over and over and over and over blah, blah, blah, maybe it's time to turn off the lights, the party's over. LOL

 

[Sixto]

I can't imagine it would be better at night. More the opposite, as with every other 4K camera I've played with using a 1/1.8 sensor or 4MP camera with 1/2.8 sensor.

But enough light cures most anything!

Oh yeah, expecting night to be worse, just wondering how much worse. And for daytime, wondering how much clearer it would be on a 65" 4K OLED TV.

Of the 5 cameras, I tend to view the front main camera very often, with a full view of the front of the house and down the street. Everything is in full view. Just curious T58PRO vs T54PRO.

The camera is also only about 10-15 feet away from the front stoop with the two 75 watt lights at night.

 

[CamCrazy]

That's some great discussion in the past few hours. Learning a lot about these sensors.

Last night I was second guessing myself in that I should have tried at least one T58PRO in the five, for one of the front cameras that has a full view of the front of the house/street with 150 watts of porch light and a street light. I may get one to test.

I use these 5 cameras more for overview viewing on 65" 4K OLED TV during the day, than worrying about intruders. In the 8+ years of 5442/5231s never had an intruder but there's always a first time!

You guys think T58PRO at night would be bad? Daytime would add much? Talking full view of the front of the house & street. Just curious. I may get one to play.

If you have ambient light I would try a 4K-T assuming you don't want or need IR/B&W...

 

[wittaj]

That's some great discussion in the past few hours. Learning a lot about these sensors.

Last night I was second guessing myself in that I should have tried at least one T58PRO in the five, for one of the front cameras that has a full view of the front of the house/street with 150 watts of porch light and a street light. I may get one to test.

I use these 5 cameras more for overview viewing on 65" 4K OLED TV during the day, than worrying about intruders. In the 8+ years of 5442/5231s never had an intruder but there's always a first time!

You guys think T58PRO at night would be bad? Daytime would add much? Talking full view of the front of the house & street. Just curious. I may get one to play.

With all the trouble folks are having with the 4MP version at night, the 8MP on the same sensor would be even worse.

Don't chase MP. Chase sensor size.

 

[Chokolinho]

There are sensors that can see. The problem is they don't seem available to the CCTV industry or available at the right price. The one camera we saw that could function in the dark very very well was @$10k once a lens, heater, casing, wipers etc were added. It had to go right up to a 35mm sensor to achieve it. That said the results were sublime. Some have suggested it used the Sony a7ii sensor / processor.



Too much gain, hence the ghost trails. I think your only answer might be to add some more light. What's happened here is you've dropped the shutter but have then had to up the gain to compensate . The problem probably is your camera can't manage a bright enough picture in full colour with that light level with bot acceptable shutter and gain. You could try tweaking it slightly by dropping shutter to 6ms and gain to 50, but still no guarantees. At the extreme try 8ms / gain 50 but then you are on the edge of seeing shutter related issues with fast movement.

I guess IR is the only option with these settings.

 

[Sixto]

If you have ambient light I would try a 4K-T assuming you don't want or need IR/B&W...

Yeah, had looked at that but wanted varifocal, thus started with 5231's in 2017, then 5442, now T54PRO.

Zoom on the five T54PRO cameras is:
Front Left: 930
Front Right: 1773
Backyard: 1265
Side: 2426
Driveway: 1260

The Front Left is the main camera that I'm referencing, focused on the stoop only 10-15 feet away, but also a total view of the street.

 

[Sixto]

With all the trouble folks are having with the 4MP version at night, the 8MP on the same sensor would be even worse.

Don't chase MP. Chase sensor size.

Yep, certainly learned that from you and others here over the past 8+ years.

I often have the front camera up on the TV during the day and wondering how perfect it would look, though the T54PRO looks fairly nice.

Maybe I'll play with one T58PRO, or just wait for a future varifocal with 1.2 sensor.

Again, thanks for all the feedback here.

 

[ipcamuser11]

You should look at new 5459-IL models, which are PRO models without WizColor (AI-ISP) and with image sensor taken from 5442/5842...

I looked into Dahua's website and found that they both share the exact same firmware: DH_IPC-HX5XXX-Fourier_MultiLang_PN_Stream4_V3.146.0000000.3.R.251015
What's more, judging from the HWIDs, the Pro and IL models also have exactly the same hardware. Same SoC, same sensor, same DDR and EMMC
I've seen this before too, high-end and low-end models with the same hardware, you pay $50 more just for a different HWID

 

[Chokolinho]

Why does the image look so smudgy during the day? 0-4 , 0-30 , 25nr , sharpness 5 , iris 60

 

[bigredfish]

Sharpness 5

 

[steve1225]

I looked into Dahua's website and found that they both share the exact same firmware: DH_IPC-HX5XXX-Fourier_MultiLang_PN_Stream4_V3.146.0000000.3.R.251015
What's more, judging from the HWIDs, the Pro and IL models also have exactly the same hardware. Same SoC, same sensor, same DDR and EMMC
I've seen this before too, high-end and low-end models with the same hardware, you pay $50 more just for a different HWID

Yes, main board with SoC and firmware is the same. Only sensor and optics are different. Plus firmware don’t support ai-isp (different internal config).

In world of cams this is normal. Hik have sometimes hundreds cam models on the same main board / soc / firmware.

 

[flynreelow]

I don't think this is possible.
AI-ISP is very different video processing pipeline from classic Dahua/HIK one (I found this one year ago with TIOC-PRO).
It can be tuned (internal Dahua configuration of used SOC) but not switched off.. very similar to full color cams, which had not switchable full color processing..

if you don't like AI-ISP video processing PRO cams are not for you..

You should look at new 5459-IL models, which are PRO models without WizColor (AI-ISP) and with image sensor taken from 5442/5842...
Andy (@EMPIRETECANDY) do you will have any new 5459-IL models to any testing?

will you be getting one of these IL cams?

are you currently testing one of the 54pro turrets for us?

 

[CamCrazy]

Why does the image look so smudgy during the day? 0-4 , 0-30 , 25nr , sharpness 5 , iris 60

Shutter below 2ms during the day (and night really!) for these to be sharp with freeze motion, I run mine below 1 during the day, yes, really!!

Daytime settings below...

 

[Chokolinho]

Shutter below 2ms during the day (and night really!) for these to be sharp with freeze motion, I run mine below 1 during the day, yes, really!!

Daytime settings below...

View attachment 231581

I'll test it tomorrow morning, thank you.

 

[ipcamuser11]

Yes, main board with SoC and firmware is the same. Only sensor and optics are different. Plus firmware don’t support ai-isp (different internal config).

Not only SoC, sensor is the same too. Of course firmware supports AI ISP too, because they are just exactly the same one. Only difference is that whether dahua choose to enable it in model config

 

[ipcamuser11]

I only see 3 different sensors used in the shared firmware, one is certainly SC850SL for all 8MP models, another may be SC465SL for all 4MP models, no matter whether it’s Pro or IL model. Last one is 1/2.8” used on both 5MP and 2MP models, that’s strange, and should be avoided

 

[flynreelow]

I only see 3 different sensors used in the shared firmware, one is certainly SC850SL for all 8MP models, another may be SC465SL for all 4MP models, no matter whether it’s Pro or IL model. Last one is 1/2.8” used on both 5MP and 2MP models, that’s strange, and should be avoided

good info.

 

[wittaj]

Shutter below 2ms during the day (and night really!) for these to be sharp with freeze motion, I run mine below 1 during the day, yes, really!!

Daytime settings below...

View attachment 231581

Would love to see a night image freeze frame at 2ms....

 

[steve1225]

Not only SoC, sensor is the same too. Of course firmware supports AI ISP too, because they are just exactly the same one. Only difference is that whether dahua choose to enable it in model config

no it's not.. 4/5/8 Mpx models configuiration and 140db WDR (triple flash, 90 fps on sensor) on 4Mpx model suggest that sensors on 5x59-IL are taken from OmniVision (identical to 5442) not SmartSense.

they have very different noise type..

there is no 2Mpx model on both lines...