Blue Iris Hardare Requirements

MrGlasspoole said:
Hi, new here because I'm searching for a NVR software.

I really wonder about the requirements because the ready build NVRs just have some single board computer, the Bluecherry NVR for 8 x 2 megapixel cameras has just a Celeron J1900 and the Ubiquit NVR a Atom and can do 20 cam's.

So really a i7?
What about power consumption?

I did read that motion detection is not hard for a CPU and since cam's are streaming h.264 all there is to do is writing that to the HD.
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this has been brought up a million times...you dont need an i7 for most applications, most can do with a modern 3rd gen plus i5 desktop processor...you load of 8x2mp can even be handled by a modern i3...
NVR's do nothing but record the stream they get everything from the camera, this can be achieved in blue iris by selecting limit decoding unless required...but you will not get the benefits of blue iris motion detection as it will not be accurate with this option enabled...it will work but not be as accurate...
power consumption on average is 25-50w depending on the system...blue iris feature set blows away any of the above mentioned options by a mile...
if you are happy with those other options great...many of us are not..
bluecherry - no mobile app, no option for advanced motion detection/alerts...
ubiquiti is limited to their cams
nvr - a joke.
 
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fenderman said:
if you are happy with those other options great...many of us are not..
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Where did i say I'm happy with something? I wrote I'm searching the right software.

Motion detection is something that is not really needed in allot of environments because in shops every minute somethings is going on so recording 24/7 makes more sense.

As i said I'm searching and things like this:
FAQ
Sign into : Bluecherry
Are already a killer. I need to register to read the knowledge base?
FAQ not working?
 
MrGlasspoole said:
Where did i say I'm happy with something? I wrote I'm searching the right software.

Motion detection is something that is not really needed in allot of environments because in shops every minute somethings is going on so recording 24/7 makes more sense.

As i said I'm searching and things like this:
FAQ
Sign into : Bluecherry
Are already a killer. I need to register to read the knowledge base?
FAQ not working?
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You don't have the luxury of being picky unless you are willing to spend 50-150 per camera in licensing...
If registration is too much for you with blue cherry then you are in for a rude awakening..
 
Who want's to register just to read documentation, manuals and that stuff to get informed on a product?
After 20 years internet I'm already registered at 100s of forums/shops - but not to read if a product is something i would consider.
 
MrGlasspoole said:
Hi, new here because I'm searching for a NVR software.

I really wonder about the requirements because the ready build NVRs just have some single board computer, the Bluecherry NVR for 8 x 2 megapixel cameras has just a Celeron J1900 and the Ubiquit NVR a Atom and can do 20 cam's.

So really a i7?
What about power consumption?

I did read that motion detection is not hard for a CPU and since cam's are streaming h.264 all there is to do is writing that to the HD.
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Read the wiki at the top of any page.
 
fenderman said:
no...if you plan on 60 cameras, look at an enterprise vms or nvr...alternatively consider 1080p cameras that are better in low light like the dahua starlights..even then, 60 cams will be tough unless you keep fps low...
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Fenderman or other experts, I'm sorry if I've not read enough of the forums to put this together, but after a certain amount of cameras, or MP you usually begin directing to enterprise based VMS solutions. I'm not understanding the technical threshold or bottleneck for making that decision. If we forget about cost/benefit when viewing hardware, at what point does an intel based BI server not able to support and amount of MP/# of cameras, etc? If there's already a technical post on this, I'm happy to be pointed to it.

I'm involved with expanding an existing BlueIris i7700 12GB Ram 20TB Storage(Skyhawks) current solution from (10) 8MP Dahua WDR IR bullets, and (16) 4MP Dahua Domes/Bullets to a maximum of 40 cameras (adding 14 more 4MP/8MP) at 15fps. The current server is extremely high in CPU utilization and expanding the cameras will definitely press its limits. But currently everything is stable and BI's capabilities and familiarity is valued. Video is used for on premise safety/oversight and not for theft prevention of high dollar assets, so investing in a more robust server build is preferred over a commercial relationship with an Enterprise VMS solution.

Rebuilding to a i7-8700k 6 core with a new mainboard and boosting 32GB ram would appear to give +50% additional cores, newer Intel 630 UHD integrated GPU.. But i don't know if the performance increase would scale linear. Thoughts?

Is there a point in which an i9-9700 with a discrete GPU combination would technically support this expansion better than an i7-8700? again.. recommending on technical feasibility, not in anticipated cpu/gpu cost.

Thanks gentlemen...
 
FYI Finishing build: i9-7980XE 18-core, 32 GB Ram, 40 TB storage. Will provide stats shortly to compare the previous i7-7700 Dell to the new custom Asus/Corsair i9-7980XE
 
Nice performance gain

Intel I9-9780XE 18-core, ASUS x299 TUF Mark 2, 32GB DDR4-2666Mhz (8x 4GB), 256GB WD Blue M.2 SSD, 4x 10TB Seagate Skyhawk
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Dell i7-77000, 12GB, 256GB WD Blue M.2 SSD, 2x 10TB Seagate Skyhawk

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Nice ... I wonder what the power draw is? Not that it matters, the performance is there to spare.
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There's (2) power connections from the CPU to the PSU, so it can be power hungry if you start trying to OC it. But we've bought the extra cores so we don't have to OC it!
i9-7980xe Bench OC'd to 5GHz has been seen to exceed 850watts --- You're not going to run this i9 24x7 like that without lowering its lifespan. So its running stock for the above performance. Assume 200 watts for a loaded stock CPU, add to that as you add drives, and additional GPU/etc.
  • I installed a Corsair HX850 platinum rated PSU mostly for efficiency -- If my friend decides to add another 4 drives, even at stock speeds this won't exceed the 50% utilization efficiency sweet spot of this PSU. I've always doubled PSU max rating compared to top utilization for best efficiency.
  • Also, to cool the estimated 190 TDP (over the rated 165w chip), I put in a Corsair Hydro H150i 360 AIO cooler. You can easily use the 110i 280 without much difference in cooling, but I like the space that 2CM extra mainboard clearance provides when top mounting in the Define R5 case.
  • Drive and mainboard cooling are by 2x 14cm maglev fans in front of the 10TB drives, and one 12cm fan pulling from the bottom. The PSU also pulls from the bottom. All intakes are through dust filters, with more positive pressure than the exhausting 3x12cm fans at the top radiator to lessen dust bunny hotels.
  • There's a Asus Phoenix 1050GT in there just to be able to run a nice high def screen - could have gotten by with a 1030.
This isn't a cheap system, but is cheaper in enthusiast components and CPU than an equivalent Xeon requiring ECC memory and more expensive mainboards and server chassis. I hesitate to say that because I'm sure that someone is much more creative in aquisition of parts and can make that possible, but these are all top quality components with a bit of "overbuild" headroom that have less of a chance in causing a support headache later.

Prices as built is around $3200 before adding the 10TB drives, with about $1990 being the i9 CPU. The LED's in the photo are standard... not really my thing, and were later shutoff in bios/software.

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Would love to see how an EPYC 32 core processor performs. Looks like more cores is the better route for large camera installations.
 
I still don't understand what the CPU does if BI is using Quick Sync.
If i buy a Kaby Lake that has the same score like a Haswell on cpubenchmark.net then the Kaby should perform better because of the HD 630 vs HD 4400.
So it should make no difference if it's a Pentium, i3, i5 or i7...

Then the BI site says: "nVIDIA graphics adaptor for efficient screen display".
Does that mean for viewing the cam's in the BI GUI the dedicated graphics card is used and the iGPU only for motion detection?
 
MrGlasspoole said:
I still don't understand what the CPU does if BI is using Quick Sync.
If i buy a Kaby Lake that has the same score like a Haswell on cpubenchmark.net then the Kaby should perform better because of the HD 630 vs HD 4400.
So it should make no difference if it's a Pentium, i3, i5 or i7...

Then the BI site says: "nVIDIA graphics adaptor for efficient screen display".
Does that mean for viewing the cam's in the BI GUI the dedicated graphics card is used and the iGPU only for motion detection?
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Your cores, CPU generation, etc, all matters. Even the generation of the Intel Core integrated graphics matters. Some of your best performance comparisons of the chips and generations will be on the Blue Iris Update Helper site, from nice BI users who share their information to help others plan their solutions.

As I understand it :blankstare:, it means that if you are running a high resolution console monitor on your BI server that is going to have a larger number of cameras, adding a discrete GPU will offload that local HDMI, DVI, or DP attached LED monitor display graphics handling away from your Intel Core i7's integrated graphics. In doing that, you're not trying to use the same Core i7 integrated graphics to both run your BI hardware acceleration AND your local screen HW acceleration which may impact the quality of either based on your capture configuration.

The Core I9 series doesn't have integrated graphics, so a discrete GPU is required for a local display. A Nvidia $115 Geforce 1030 card is fine for running high res local console. Nothing more powerful than that entry level Nvidia is necessary.

Christopher
 
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pcunite said:
Would love to see how an EPYC 32 core processor performs. Looks like more cores is the better route for large camera installations.
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There's something that's totally techporn about more cores. :love: To be honest though, for almost the same headroom as the i9-7980XE, the 16-core i9-7960X is $400 cheaper. There's a little bit of premium in having the "XE" that isn't going to impact significantly in total utilization. As you step up from 10-cores, it's about $100/core until you get to the XE, then it's a $200/core jump.

My cost conscious recommendation for this build was the i9-7960X to avoid this bump, but my friend is replacing/adding in more 8MP into daytime lit areas and didn't want buyers remorse later if CPU utilization from high MP cams forced lower fps.

Christopher
 
fenderman said:
building a 3k pc to run blue iris is the definition of insanity....
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Only if you repeat without changing right? Others can use this as a good datapoint and buy less than the top core chip for their 4K surveillance. ;)
It's modestly overbuilt currently at 17% utilization, considering the lower MP cameras are already being planned for replacement. I'm sure it will cook up to 50% by the time the avg is >6mp.

BTW... I did find your posterchild for insanity, fenderman (this is obvious redirection of ridicule...)

The other i9-7980xe in that biupdatehelper stats is truly overbuilt at 128GB ram (8x 16GB DDR4 2133) - That's dumping $1800 into completely unused and maybe never touched ram.
They also have a $1900 Nvidia Titan X in there as well..lol. (you have to click on the record for details) Just max everything I guess.. should we assume the Titan X was only purchased because a Quadro P6000 was out of stock? :rofl:

Megapixels / Second 2204.6 MP/s
Camera Count 33
Total Megapixels 152.4 MP
Average Megapixels 4.6 MP
Total FPS 440 FPS
Average FPS 13.3 FPS

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Christopher72 said:
Only if you repeat without changing right? Others can use this as a good datapoint and buy less than the top core chip for their 4K surveillance. ;)
It's modestly overbuilt currently at 17% utilization, considering the lower MP cameras are already being planned for replacement. I'm sure it will cook up to 50% by the time the avg is >6mp.

BTW... I did find your posterchild for insanity, fenderman (this is obvious redirection of ridicule...)

The other i9-7980xe in that biupdatehelper stats is truly overbuilt at 128GB ram (8x 16GB DDR4 2133) - That's dumping $1800 into completely unused and maybe never touched ram.
They also have a $1900 Nvidia Titan X in there as well..lol. (you have to click on the record for details) Just max everything I guess.. should we assume the Titan X was only purchased because a Quadro P6000 was out of stock? :rofl:

Megapixels / Second 2204.6 MP/s
Camera Count 33
Total Megapixels 152.4 MP
Average Megapixels 4.6 MP
Total FPS 440 FPS
Average FPS 13.3 FPS

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yes they can use it as a data point for stupidity...for that kind of money you can license enterprise vms like avigilon. Its a complete waste of money that will keep wasting money by consuming loads of power....the fact that someone made a sillier mistake does not make your choice any better..
 
Well, educate me then. With Avigilon, running (40) 8MP Dahua cameras, enough storage for 30 days retention of key cameras.. motion/ptz/multi user/multistation viewing/all on-premise... what is the initial HW layout, initial licensing, continuous annual maintenance going to run in comparison?

Are we talking significantly less investment initially, but with maintenance subscription considerations? I'll certainly accept that I'm ignorant of the solution you mention, but I'd like to know if you are talking a cost difference, feature difference, quality difference... I don't see a $3k server as expensive, so I'm trying to understand what I'm missing -- I'm certainly open to learning.
 
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Well, educate me then. With Avigilon, running (40) 8MP Dahua cameras, enough storage for 30 days retention of key cameras.. motion/ptz/multi user/multistation viewing/all on-premise... what is the initial HW layout, initial licensing, continuous annual maintenance going to run in comparison?

Are we talking significantly less investment initially, but with maintenance subscription considerations? I'll certainly accept that I'm ignorant of the solution you mention, but I'd like to know if you are talking a cost difference, feature difference, quality difference... I don't see a $3k server as expensive, so I'm trying to understand what I'm missing -- I'm certainly open to learning.
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for get the storage..you spent 3k on the processor, os, memory, case etc...
do the research on avigilon yourself...its a different ballpark...features quality everything and would cost about the same...the power consumption savings alone would pay for any support fees...or dw spectrum/network optix is 70 dollars a cam and free lifetime upgrades.
you will never be able to run 40 8mp cameras at 15fps on your server using blue iris (unless you use the limit decoding option and in that case you dont need that processor to begin with)...that is an enterprise demand and not suitable for blue iris.
 
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